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Same here. Our Phedra is paying nearly 600€ with same driver as Punto. The younger you are, more you pay. Are you a woman? Pay less. Married? Pay less, ando so on. Red, yellow and other "sport" or "passionate" colors also pay more. Years ago a friend with 18 and fresh license was asked 4300€ for a years insurance on a Renault 19 16V wich price (second hand) was 4000€. With an age of 18 (minimun in Spain for car driving license) is nearly impossible to have an insurance as main driver. Most insurance companies won´t even give you a quote. Just don´t want you as customer. I remeber a BBC Top Gear challenge about low cost car+insurance for teens.

Come to Spain! Labour will be betwen 25-55€ per hour, depending if it´s independent or franchised. I worked in a bus/coach workshop for one and a half year in the parts dept. and they paid me just 6€ per hour

In Spain all insurance companies share their files, so they know how good driver you are. You wil be asked for main driver´s name and other possible drivers. Just to see the diference: we bought a Lancia Phedra MPV and left our old Fiat Punto for my sister-in-law´s use. Adding her as occasional driver (she was then 18 and just 15 days old driving license) made a years insurance bill to raise from 400€ to 700€. Depending on insurance company, discounts will be applied if you are older than 25/27, have more than two years old driving license and have had no crashes in past 3/5 years. ¿How much per year in UK for insurance?

And about MoT: no MoT or drunken and Insurance company will not pay ANYTHING

Just to see how things are in other countries... Here in Spain a vehicle can be: Abled: car beeing used in public roads. Temporaly disabled: car beeing out of public roads for a time by owners desire Definitively disabled: car that has ended it´s working life and it´s going to be destroyed/recycled/breaked for parts. Owmer cannot obtain a definitively disabled certificate. Only registered breakers can do that. Insurance...all abled cars MUST be insured. An stored car should be "temporaly disabled" or otherwise insurance will be compulsory, even if the car passes a full year not moving an inch in a yard or barn. Temporaly disabled cars need a MoT for beeing abled again, and should be trailered to the MoT station and back to home again until insurance is obtained. In Spain is the car itself what you insure, independent of who drives it (restrictions may apply to L drivers). I heard that in UK is the driver itself who is insured, so, if you whant to sell your car and I go for a test drive, it will be a non-insured car . Is that true?

Internal fuel tank has always been in the list, as it´s intended to be a bobbed Disco, and no rear overhang means no room for fuel tank (at least a stock Disco one)

Elbekko, that will be easier, but I will end with a nearly six metre long Disco! I want a small (say 4 metre) long one.

That suspended axle idea has resurrected my "half-track" project that I sketched some years ago. It has nothihg to do with Centaur style half tracked Landys. It would be just one chassis width track under t-box. This track will act as a skid plate and, when vehicle´s ramp-over angle was reached, will help the car crawling over the obstacle. This could be achived by car´s wheels pushing the car or by the track´s own motion, beeing obtained from PTO, hydraulic or electric motor. Just an old-school pen and paper sketch I have made just minutes ago And another one for the inter-linked coil suspension that will enable bogie style performance off-road

Landy-Novice, the idea of a mid-axled 6x6 is for less ground pressure (less chance to get stuck), much reduced turning diamenter and greater traction. I was amazed how good the Disco was off-road with just some small 205R16 mud tyres. Even with big plough style tow pack fitted. It was much better than our previous 88" with +3" suspension and 32" tyres. A locked 4x4 Disco with 33s may be good, but then imagine a 6x6 one with 3 lockers and some 36s. I want a Disco because it´s the rig I have been given for free and because it´s body is more practical for family and daily runabout use.

Hi Dieseldog69! Suspended mid axle was one of my firts ideas, but quite early abandoned it because it wil reduce vehicles payload and overload original ground touching axles. Have been reading other treads about 6x6 and 8x8 in this and other forums and it´s clear that any design with rocker/load sharing device will be better off-road than designs using not linked axles. Bill´s design was great, but such design in a Disco will requiere more chassis work than I intended and body will be less practical for everyday use. My mid axle design could be made rocker-like type using linked air bags instead of coils, but these will be less dependable an far more expensive. Maybe some mechanical links between mobile coil seats/buckets...

More photoshop, now on a ESARCO 8x8 drivetrain. "wolf" short nose diffs could be used for strength and better U-joint angles.

Hi Bishbosh! Fortunately my XXL size brain developed a method that eliminates the need of a straight chassis. Front and rear coil seats are lowered (this kind of suspension lift is used on Defenders made by IceLandrovers) so they will be aligned with new ones added for mid axle. At the moment have no idea of how A frame and trailing arms for mid axle coul be located without interfering with other two axles. A pic of the idea (dimmensions are incorrect for my Disco, its a Disco 2 chassis the one of the original drawing)

More photoshop for a Bill van Snorkel design adapted to a Disco http://img824.imageshack.us/i/discocastorbobtail6x6bi.jpg/'> Cons: b post needs to be modified (seat belt attached to it, quite probably impossible to made road legal), none of the windows going down, second seat row reduced to two people and with quite bad access. Why my youtube inserts don´t work?

Thanks Phil for your info on six wheeled Disco. Surfing the net I´ve found this awesome rig (sorry, not a Landy) <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZkpeOzAIZ-M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Same layout as ZIL can be seen in spanish built ENASA BMR <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EK6CohK0l8M?list=PLMKLJVNrDfk7F88iNhFNaPDofTqGanOJI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Three axles with fixed middle one and steered front and rear was taken from the soviet ZIL167 <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4HgLrfhmwGU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Thanks Luke for the video. I was just writing about that same car when you posted your reply!

Thanks Fridge and Scooby for your replies! I knew the Merzouga Disco (just a TACR2A chassis with Disco body). It´s tooooooooooooooo long for my needs. I want the traction of a 6x6 with the turning diameter of a 80" and the overall length of a 90. I´m asking too much? High speed cornering could be "fun". In Portugal the Army ordered some HUGO 6x6 and found that on heavy foot braking it was transformed in a very short wheelbase 4x4. Another option for a not too big 6x6 could be the Bill van Snorkel design: less than 80" between axles 1 and 2 and load sharing device for axles 2 and 3, but don´t know what turning diamenter expect. I will like to thak Bill the creation of such a great vehicle. When I was a teen a poster I made with a enlarged set of pics of his landy crawling over a fallen tree (taken from the book Land Rover Series II&IIA 1958/1971-Brookland Books) decorated my bedroom and his rig was the last thing I saw every night before sleeping.

Hi all! This is my first message in this forum. My name is Rodrigo, but everybody calls me Téunico. I´m from Lugo, NW Spain. I started my Land Rover madness when I was 13 thanks to TV and those Camel Trophy films. With 19 came the first Landy: a spanish built 88" Diesel Series IIIA Santana. Later a Cazorla (Santana made top of the range straight six 109" SW), 109" Series I with hearse body...and then disaster...our beloved 88", called Seferino, was rolled over in 2004. Since then no Landy for me, but my brother bought himself a Disco Tdi (not running now because of timing belt failure), 109" armoured SIIIA Santana (money carrier) and a 2500DC Series V Santana. That broken engine 200 Tdi Disco has been offered to me for free, so...why not transform it in a 6x6? Lets see pics... As it is now Imagine a bobtailed one with shortned front end... ...and extra axle between original ones and steering rear axle. Has this been done ever? Closest thing I have seen are those ESARCO/HUGO things. I´ve been measuring and bodywork can be done, but not sure if mid axle will fit under t-case. If I make it in the typical way(you know, just add an extra axle at back), what turning diameter can I expect? (Any TACR2A owners over here?). How to improve original brake servo and master cylinder to cope with six brake discs? Traction could be given with an extra divorced LT230, in the ESARCO 8x8 way. Standard LT230 powering axles 1 and 3 and the PTO driven LT230 powering axle 2 and powered trailer. That extra LT230,s PTO could even drive a GOD WINCH/VIKING WINCH. Thanks for your comments and ideas!