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    Making noise and mess with off highway toys, trucks and machines.
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  1. So an R380 would be stronger in this scenario. No, not at all, an R380 wouldn't last at all behind an Isuzu or any large 4 cylinder engine. The torque spikes and torsional vibration would have it destroyed fairly quickly. Many classic Range Rovers were fitted with Chevrolet V8's, Perkins 4 and 6 cylinder engines back in the day with no ill effects to the gearbox. You only have to take them apart to see the huge difference in the size of the components, The R380 is just an updated LT77, the name says it all, 77mm between main shaft and layshaft vs 95mm. Not only are the gears much larger, they're wider too and in a stiffer housing. They have their weaknesses too as described above but none of that stoped me putting an LQ4 Chev V8 in front of one.
  2. "Tip a Discovery onto two diametrically opposed wheels in a transition and it'll creak under structural duress" Total garbage, they don't make a sound, don't twist, doors open and close fine, exactly as they do on every car made this millennium in the same situation. Marketing nonsense. "half-a-metre of suspension articulation" That's actually not much and it's lies and marketing anyway pulled from the disco 5 literature. It clearly doesn't display anything like this amount in real life for reasons well discussed in previous pages in this topic. With the exception of the total lack of versatility of the new defender, the fact that the wheels almost don't move at all is one of the most un-defender like qualities it possesses. Roll on the independent reviews!!
  3. There's no point at all listening to a review from someone who hasn't driven off road before, let alone hasn't done it every day for a living, nor is a user utility vehicles or is even familiar with the old defender. Every single review so far I've seen is basically part of the JLR Namibia marketing exercise. I want to see an American or Australian review, they don't usually sugar coat things. Is there any new footage from the American trip now been released? Anybody who doesn't mention the savage lurching from wheel to wheel on fairly benign terrain isn't doing a review, they're part of the advertising campaign.
  4. Yes, that's exactly who I was thinking of. Cheers.
  5. Has there been even one review yet by someone who has at least driven off road before and doesn't think off road means rally driving? Journalists are the very worst people to review what a Defender should be anyway. Who's that South African Dude who actually knows what he's talking about? He might not be a 'proper' journalist though... He generally gives unbiased and fair reviews, usually from an overlanding perspective.
  6. About time we heard an update and had a defender replacement to look forwards to:
  7. Very interesting, the similarities are endless. I thought this recent interview with Gerry McGovern was quite interesting too. I think most things he's done for land rover have been great (except the rear of the Disco 5), the Evoque design is amazing and his influence on the shape in everything current is clear to see. I just think he was the totally wrong man to lead the defender project and that it should have been lead by an engineer and that form should have been allowed to follow function as far as regulations would have allowed, then he should have got his turn. https://gearpatrol.com/2020/03/09/land-rover-design-boss/
  8. Are you discussing the preparation of soup or something? I can't see any other references to stock, please do stay on topic and try harder to actually read the posts you respond to. This makes no sense at all, if you have a video of your daily driver moving across terrain that defenders couldn't then you definitely get bragging rights but that still doesn't make defenders sh*te off road, it just means your ego wants a massage.
  9. So you're saying the new defender should only be driven on public roads? Wheeny Creek is a public road, I don't understand what your point is? I was trying to demonstrate the difference in suspension types and you're trying to give us a geography lesson? Please stay on topic, this threads bad enough for off topic posts. Oh stop being so dramatic, if you broke down, it's like any other road there where you stay in the car until the hoards of tourists go past then you get out and fix it and carry on. People have been driving there since leaf springs were a fashion accessory. OK, I forgive you for the geography lesson now you're back on topic. Fantastic topic, what modifications does the new defender need to drive difficult ground? My suggestion within the confines of the existing platform is portal hubs to improve the ground clearance, larger air pipes for the suspension and smaller wheels with bigger tyres. Revised and less vulnerable bodywork, potentially sacrificing some of the pedestrian safety would improve it in areas where you're likely to hit a large mammal and get stranded and die.
  10. Here's a video of a well driven 110 daily driver on far more challenging terrain for comparison:
  11. Geez, that thing looks seriously awkward driving on not very challenging terrain. It's like watching your granny and hoping she doesn't fall and break a hip. It just looks so out of place there lurching around from one wheel to the next. As expected, any cross linking of the air suspension has no effect on the articulation whilst moving due to the tiny pipes connecting them. That lurching around is ridiculous in any (supposedly) off road car. Are there no disconnects on the anti roll bars because nobody in the entire design team thought of it or because a bean counter wanted to save a few bob and 99% of target customers aren"t supposed to notice anyway?
  12. That's the part I disagree with. I used lotus as an example of an actually small UK based manufacturer with exactly the same problems as JLR competing on a world stage in a far more niche market yet who are building innovative and modern designs using advanced manufacturing techniques and successfully making a profit. I wholeheartedly disagree that JLR couldn't have developed another platform when the one they have used is already 10 years old and not suited to that of a defender replacement anyway. My point about Toyota was that the part of the business allocated to Land Cruiser 70 series development probably isn't larger than the resources allocated to the development of the new Defender yet still yields a profitable vehicle with a long term vision much more in line with what that market wants. It is in my opinion, what the new Defender should have been aimed at to keep the land Rover brand recognised globally in a manner more like it was in the 60's rather than as a manufacturer of unreliable tarts handbags which seems to be the current direction.
  13. How much of that was allocated to land cruiser sales or relevant R&D? What about Lotus? Yet they have three different platforms, are innovative and have world class technologies and low volume construction methods which all yield a profit. JLR slapped the DC100 body (which was universally hated both by press and public) on a ten year old platform, it somehow took five years to do so and now they're lauding it as a new car after thinking we'd forgotten all about it? Low volume or not, it's hardly demonstrative of innovation, technology or the thinking of an organisation wishing to engage with a previously loyal customer base.
  14. That's of no use to those of us who want a utility vehicle for commercial purposes. We all have no choice now but to buy 70 series Toyotas because JLR decided they wouldn't make one and put all their eggs in the dainty and fragile hands of the urban yuppie brigade.The new defender commercial (if they ever do decide to get out of bed one day and make them) will still be of no use because you can't buy tyres anywhere in the entire world for it, especially when the fancy independent suspension flogs them out every other month and the even fancier engines can't handle some dodgy fuel. Assuming Toyota only makes10,000 70 series per month, that's still a huge profit for basically an old tractor with a roof that's been around almost unchanged since 1985. There is a market, it's huge, it's just that JLR chose to ignore it. There was nothing other than poor management stopped them developing the defender into something useful. They were tools, hammer technology hasn't changed in hundreds of years yet there's still a healthy market for people buying hammers (Estwing anyone?). Now to use the same analogy, we have the new defender trying to do with lasers and sensors and batteries and electronics what your grandad did with a piece of string to get a straight line. Now they don't have a utility platform, they really are screwed if there's a recession. Let's be honest, there's no business model or economic sense to buy a defender over anything else. Sales are only going to come from fragile and unpredictable disposable income. That's surely a risky strategy?
  15. Why not when all they need to do is make a decent vehicle that people want to buy. JLR isn't that small and regardless of size, it could certainly have built a design with expansion in mind. The D7 platform is a light duty passenger car construction which has no heavy duty components at all in it. Every single part is no stronger than any executive saloon. Look at the tiny diffs, CV's and half shafts, despite the tow rating and marketing, none of the components are any more suited to heavy towing than a BMW, Audi or Merc. The same 8 speed ZF box is used in them all anyway now. Why didn't they invest in a new platform? The D7 is 10 years old anyway. A simple go anywhere vehicle shouldn't be expensive to make. When people can remind you that every single utility land cruiser, Nissan patrol or shogun ever made still has larger stronger diffs and shafts than the latest Land Rover maybe it is time to rethink the platform? They could have started with the defender chassis any time in the last 30 years!! Toyota by comparison: There's people passionate about their product, can JLR not do the same? Toyota sold its 10,000,000th land cruiser last year,The 70 series sold around 120,000 units last year, I read earlier in this topic that the Jeep Wrangler sells in similar numbers just in North America alone. I doubt the New Defender will take a single 70 series sale as they're such different vehicles for such different tasks. People forget the Land cruiser heritage, it's now been in production longer than the Defender, has kept closer to its roots and as I said before, ought to be the natural nemesis of the Defender but it just isn't, the defender has turned into a parody of itself. Just to echo @Chicken Drumstick, I think he nailed it i his last posts. The Jeep has heritage by the bucketload which also sells cars. The Suzuki Jimny also has an unbroken heritage going back to the 70's, the G wagon, the same. Clutching at straws for the lineage, whatever happened to the rights of Santana to build and develop land rovers after IVECO took them over? Is Iran still building dodgy copies? Besides the greater similarity to the Yeti than the old defender, the New Defender actually has a lot more in common with the Skoda Yeti a few posts ago than it does with the old defender. Sad but true. I bet if there was a three way competition between the Yeti, the new Defender and the old one in the motoring press, the yeti would place higher than the old defender in almost every category they would use. The Yeti has hill descent control, abs, esp, etc does that mean it could replace an old defender? Unfortunately because of how defenders are marketed nowadays, it probably could for most buyers now. I doubt many aid agencies, mining companies or farmers are lining up to buy a new one despite the staged marketing pictures a few posts ago. Remember no customers have their new defenders yet, anything you see in the press until folks start taking delivery is staged and therefore not impartial. People didn't buy the old one because LR stopped investing in it and it ended up garbage in comparison to the competition. What actually beggars belief is that despite how terrible they were, people did still buy them!! It's those people for whom the Japanese pickups weren't suitable that have just been alienated and dropped like a stone by JLR, that sucks. I still want to buy British (not sure why now), it's time the project grenadier were making some noise. I expect the vehicles to compliment rather than compete with each other.
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