Central locking misbehaving

[Julian]

I wonder if anyone has come across this problem before on my late model TD5:

The drivers door refuses to unlock with the ''plipper.'' Second push of the button and all the other doors unlock OK. I can unlock the door with the key OK but then have to push the button to silence the alarm.

All door always lock OK, its just the driver door unlock function that's stuffed.

I'm thinking that the lock actuator must be OK, could it be as simple as the mechanism getting stiff and needing lubrication - the car lives outdoors and gets only occasional use, winter in the UK is not kind to machinery!

Cheers Julian.

[BogMonster]

It's probably the actuator unless there is a bad connection in the wiring to it. Does the actuator "try" to unlock the door (can you see the interior button try to move?) the other possibility is something sticky in the mechanism.

[Julian]

It's probably the actuator unless there is a bad connection in the wiring to it. Does the actuator "try" to unlock the door (can you see the interior button try to move?) the other possibility is something sticky in the mechanism.

I can hear it try to do something, looking at the wiring CD it appears that the actuator consists of the actuator motor and the superlock motor, one must be trying at least.

I've had the door card off and can't see anything wrong or that needs oiling.

I've also re-programmed the immobiliser via the emergency key access procedure - that went without a hitch but didn't improve matters

Looking at maintenance CD it looks like the door frame (window) must be removed prior to actuator replacement. I'm wondering how expensive these things are and if they can be sourced via one of the specialist suppliers? I've got about 6 months warranty left on the vehicle, perhaps I'll just be better taking it to a LR specialist - I note there's a fairly new one sprang up in Northwich which is very near me.

Cheers Julian.

[Orgasmic Farmer]

Could be a broken spring in the mechanism. Normally found as a rear door problem but no reason why it can't happen to the drivers door too. Do a search fro broken door spring... loads of posts on the subject

[Julian]

Could be a broken spring in the mechanism. Normally found as a rear door problem but no reason why it can't happen to the drivers door too. Do a search fro broken door spring... loads of posts on the subject

I'm familiar with the spring thing thanks, BTDT many years ago. My vehicle is a Disco 2, a totally different design, no 'ickle springs!

Doing a search on Goggle leads me to believe that it's almost certain to be a faulty actuator - would anyone know if the regular specialists supply them or is it a dealer job?

Cheers Julian.

[scrumps]

I'm familiar with the spring thing thanks, BTDT many years ago. My vehicle is a Disco 2, a totally different design, no 'ickle springs!

Doing a search on Goggle leads me to believe that it's almost certain to be a faulty actuator - would anyone know if the regular specialists supply them or is it a dealer job?

Cheers Julian.

Hi Julian,

I did the front passenger actuator in the sandbags Disco 2 just before Xmas. About an hours work and £60 from a local Main Stealer.

I've got the drivers rear to do next, must be an "age" thing!!

Scrumps

[M&S]

Yup, you have to replace the whole mechanism. I did mine here: Disco 2 Door Lock

[Julian]

Thanks chaps, there's Guy Salmond in Knutsford, the nearest dealership to me. I'll phone them tomorrow - hopefully a job for the weekend.

Julian.

[Julian]

Just to finish this thread off if anyone's interested. I changed the actuator today, not a hard job but a bit time consuming first time around - now works perfectly thanks!

Julian.

[scrumps]

Just to finish this thread off if anyone's interested. I changed the actuator today, not a hard job but a bit time consuming first time around - now works perfectly thanks!

Julian.

Hi,

...and I've just done the RH rear actuator on the sandbags Disco as well.

Regards

Scrumps

[Julian]

Guess bl***y what? Took the car for its MOT today (passed, no problems) and I noticed that the effing lock on the passenger side door has failed in exactly the same way 10 bl**y days and another £60+ Grrrrr.

The drivers side lock probably gets about 50 times more use that the passenger door - I hardly ever carry passengers so it can't be a wear related failure, it must be something to do solely with age. I wonder if LR build a self-destruct feature into these locks?

It is a shame, I'm a bit of a LR fan and would probably buy another LR when the time comes. But **** arsed crappy Micky mouse components and non existent quality control is the reason that my next door neighbour has just purchased a new Shogun rather than a LR. Management at LR need their arses kicking around the office in my opinion!

Julian (sorry for the rant)

[First_Fleet]

But what you are overlooking, Julian, is that with central locking, every lock activates & deactivates each time the plipper is pressed. That's the way it is & even if you unlock/lock with the key it still happens on all doors. The same for most cars as well.

Ok, the D2 may have single or multi locking choices but they all probably get a hammering.

A car goes through a lot of locking cycles in a year.

My '95's first lock spring failed after 10 years & another has gone in the last year but they all get the same duty.

Once done, then they may last for years but if it doesn't, then that's the price we all pay for owning a modern vehicle.

The shogun will also suffer it's little, & not so little problems as well. You just may not hear about them.

Now, where's the keys for the S2A?

[Julian]

But what you are overlooking, Julian, is that with central locking, every lock activates & deactivates each time the plipper is pressed. That's the way it is & even if you unlock/lock with the key it still happens on all doors. The same for most cars as well.

Ok, the D2 may have single or multi locking choices but they all probably get a hammering.

A car goes through a lot of locking cycles in a year.

My '95's first lock spring failed after 10 years & another has gone in the last year but they all get the same duty.

Once done, then they may last for years but if it doesn't, then that's the price we all pay for owning a modern vehicle.

The shogun will also suffer it's little, & not so little problems as well. You just may not hear about them.

Now, where's the keys for the S2A?

On mine the first press of the plipper just activated the driver door, the tail gate and other three doors remain locked. But you're making excuses, the things are a piece if shlite, it's one of the last D2s with about 50,000 miles on the clock, and they just should not be failing in such a short time frame no matter how much ''spin'' you put on it. I also own a 1989 Audi (quattro) with central locking that has never ever given so much as a whiff of a problem in 20 years.

It's a case of Micky Mouse **** designed by muppets that need their necks stretching (how hard is it to design a reliable solenoid FFS?) that spoil what would otherwise be a reasonable vehicle

Julian.

[First_Fleet]

Not making excuses at all. That's how it is. Personally, I have never seen a D2 lock nor seen posts where others complain about the locks failing.

Maybe you aren't a Land Rover person after all & a Land Rover is not for you, & you should maybe try the Shotgun. I bet they are not 100% trouble free either.

[M&S]

It is a common problem with them actually. Well common enough that most we test drove had one door that didn't work! At least you know how to fix it now and it should be a quicker job. And hopefully the new locks will last as long as you remain keeper of the vehicle. And at least it passed it's MOT, it deserves a little treat (in the form of a new lock).

Now stop moaning and get it done

Or do what I'd do, leave it and use the interior switch to open the door once your in (as you say, you don't use it much anyway).

[discodave]

On mine the first press of the plipper just activated the driver door, the tail gate and other three doors remain locked. But you're making excuses, the things are a piece if shlite, it's one of the last D2s with about 50,000 miles on the clock, and they just should not be failing in such a short time frame no matter how much ''spin'' you put on it. I also own a 1989 Audi (quattro) with central locking that has never ever given so much as a whiff of a problem in 20 years.

It's a case of Micky Mouse **** designed by muppets that need their necks stretching (how hard is it to design a reliable solenoid FFS?) that spoil what would otherwise be a reasonable vehicle

Julian.

I think Julian has gone over to the dark side. I did with my first Disco 1995 300tdi manual. But my mate bought a Shotgun 3 years younger than the Disco, we both ran them for a season at work, he then had to scrap the Shotgun coz it was so rotten underneath that it was dangerous and not worth fixing. I kept the Disco till the following summer then sold it for 500 quid less than I bought it for, with 11 months mot on it. The bloke I sold it to then ran it all summer at work then offered me it back when he was due to leave for China, but I'd already got the V8 by then and it's testing me at the moment.........but it's a Land Rover.

[First_Fleet]

M & S. Have just read your Nov 08 post on the link. Interesting post.

I left the door card off for apx. 2 weeks before refitting it just to make sure it all worked after quite a few door slams. It did, & has been fine since.

As mentioned, it is a '95.

[Julian]

Not making excuses at all. That's how it is. Personally, I have never seen a D2 lock nor seen posts where others complain about the locks failing.

Nah, that don't wash. I phoned LR dealer Guy Salmon (Knutsford) yesterday to order one up. Their stock item had just been promised to a chap who beat me to it by hours so they've another coming in for me tomorrow. It's obviously a high turnover item - made out of cheese in my opinion.

Maybe you aren't a Land Rover person after all & a Land Rover is not for you, & you should maybe try the Shotgun. I bet they are not 100% trouble free either.

You're completely missing the point. It doesn't matter one jot if I'm a LR enthusiast or otherwise. The D2 is aimed at the top end of the market and primarily sells to people with fat wallets who aint enthusiats - mainly around me it's part of a lifestyle thing. Making components out of cheese that fail at the drop of a hat is short sighted policy. Once a customer has been lost (let's face it there's plenty of 4*4's on the market) they they are unlikely to return.

I think I am just about to hear from a chap who works in LR's warranty department, (on another forum) It'll be intersting to see what his view is (hopefully with his working hat off)

Julian.

[scrumps]

Nah, that don't wash. I phoned LR dealer Guy Salmon (Knutsford) yesterday to order one up. Their stock item had just been promised to a chap who beat me to it by hours so they've another coming in for me tomorrow. It's obviously a high turnover item - made out of cheese in my opinion.

You're completely missing the point. It doesn't matter one jot if I'm a LR enthusiast or otherwise. The D2 is aimed at the top end of the market and primarily sells to people with fat wallets who aint enthusiats - mainly around me it's part of a lifestyle thing. Making components out of cheese that fail at the drop of a hat is short sighted policy. Once a customer has been lost (let's face it there's plenty of 4*4's on the market) they they are unlikely to return.

I think I am just about to hear from a chap who works in LR's warranty department, (on another forum) It'll be intersting to see what his view is (hopefully with his working hat off)

Julian.

Hi Julian,

Four things:-

1. The sandbags D2 is one of the last Pursuits and I've done LHF and RHR door locks in the last 6 months.

2. My D2 is a G4 which is 3 months older than hers and I haven't replaced any locks yet (touching wood as he types).

3. When you operate the plipper you will notice that the drivers door opens but the other four change fron "super lock" to "locked", the second plip then totally unlocks them , so actually the other 4 locks (inc the rear) are doing twice as many "cycles" as the drivers door.

4. If Landies didn't break we wouldn't be on here grumbling about them and making so many friends out of like minded individuals!!!.

Regards

Scrumps

[Julian]

Hi Julian,

Four things:-

1. The sandbags D2 is one of the last Pursuits and I've done LHF and RHR door locks in the last 6 months.

2. My D2 is a G4 which is 3 months older than hers and I haven't replaced any locks yet (touching wood as he types).

3. When you operate the plipper you will notice that the drivers door opens but the other four change fron "super lock" to "locked", the second plip then totally unlocks them , so actually the other 4 locks (inc the rear) are doing twice as many "cycles" as the drivers door.

4. If Landies didn't break we wouldn't be on here grumbling about them and making so many friends out of like minded individuals!!!.

Regards

Scrumps

Mine is one of the last Pursuits too, I'm hoping that I don't have to replace all the locks every 5 years! That's an average of one door per year total strip down and circa £70 per annum just for locks - not withstanding all the other stuff made from chocolate and cheese that'll probably head south too! Interesting to note that the commonest item for replacement is the tailgate lock - but we've both still got good ones (touches wood like you!)

Actually I'm not sure if your item ''3'' is correct, or rather it would be if you actually unlocked all 5 doors, for me that's only once in a while.

I do like the vehicle, the chipped 5 cylinder sounds nice, like my old Audi quattro, but if it's going to consume so much of my time in repairs (and cost) then I may sell it and look for the nicest old Diesel Series LR that I can find - I've always loved the clanky smokey engines that produce virtually no power. Most of my driving is done in my Vauxhall Astra van because it's cheap and economical and doesn't mind getting scratched in the airport car park where I work!

Anyhow, I should have the job done quickly, second time around is much easier

Julian.