Tom17 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I've been away for a week and come home to my defender 90 200tdi today and the thing won't start it is giving a clicking sound from the engine bay almost like a flat battery would (don't worry I've swapped batteries over with dad's defender and battery isn't the issue) I've then smacked the **** out of the starter motor to see if that was stuck but no luck. I then swapped the starter (tiddle take of a job) with one from the old 200tdi that came out when I got the car but this didn't work either but again that could too be stuck so it's currently sat on my drive way in a sorry state and I'm confused as to what it may be I really want to avoid taking it to a garage but feel I may have to with this one! Any help would be great! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 Also when removing the old starter I got slightly confused with the wiring it's currently got the fat live from the battery on a stud alone with two other ring crimped red or dark cables and a striped one that was from the same loom on a little tab crimp thingy next to the stud is this correct? I'm pretty sure that's the way it came off but I'm starting to doubt myself now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffernutter Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 That sounds correct. With the starter you have removed, have you tried it directly off the battery? That is initially put a negative onto the case and put a large positive onto the stud) I use jump cables normally! Then jump from the stud to the little tag - see if that has any effect. If that just clicks, then it's probably a dirty heavy current contact. To prove it's the solenoid (that's what the tag is connected to), look around the area of the stud, there should be a second one in the same vicinity. Whilst holding the starter motor (or certainly make sure it cannot twist) with the negative still attached to the starter motor case, carefully apply the heavy positive to the other stud. That should turn the motor (there is a lot of torque there so be prepared for it). If that works, it's your solenoid (or an earthing issue). Cheers Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 you can do a simple test for an earth problem if you've got a jump lead - put one end on battery earth and the other on the engine block and see if it starts. if it does you need to check clean and tighten your earth points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 That sounds correct. With the starter you have removed, have you tried it directly off the battery? That is initially put a negative onto the case and put a large positive onto the stud) I use jump cables normally! Then jump from the stud to the little tag - see if that has any effect. If that just clicks, then it's probably a dirty heavy current contact. To prove it's the solenoid (that's what the tag is connected to), look around the area of the stud, there should be a second one in the same vicinity. Whilst holding the starter motor (or certainly make sure it cannot twist) with the negative still attached to the starter motor case, carefully apply the heavy positive to the other stud. That should turn the motor (there is a lot of torque there so be prepared for it). If that works, it's your solenoid (or an earthing issue). Cheers Peter Will try this tomorrow morning and get back on here with the results! If it proves to be a solenoid what solenoid would this be and where is it located? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 soleniod is part of the starter motor, the small diameter bit on the top.there should be a lead from the stater motor to the soleniod termial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share Posted May 29, 2014 Great and will I be able to pick one of these up at a parts shop that day would you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffernutter Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Not easily. You can either dismantle and clean what you have or buy a complete starter motor. Try it first and report back what you find. Cheers Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 ..but before you start getting involved in all that, check your earth first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 ..but before you start getting involved in all that, check your earth first! Okay will put the earth from battery to engine block and see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Okay will put the earth from battery to engine block and see what happens Okay I have just put jump lead from earth to engine block and still nothing! What next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 I have the other starter that was off the car next to me now and I have put the jump leads to that and it went mad so and fired into action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Strange-ish two starters are not working, I'd be inclined to attach a cable to battery positive and touch the other end on the solenoid terminal to see if that works - if not then looks like duff starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Strange-ish two starters are not working, I'd be inclined to attach a cable to battery positive and touch the other end on the solenoid terminal to see if that works - if not then looks like duff starter Just did and the starter lifter and spun like it wanted to start so I don't think it's the starter I'm so confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 swap the start relay behind fuse box metal panel with one of the other relays, they are all the same rating & pin layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 swap the start relay behind fuse box metal panel with one of the other relays, they are all the same rating & pin layout. How do I get behind the metal panel? How do I get behind the metal panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightpot Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Its the one with the red/white wires with the nasty scotchlock attached Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom17 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 And what should I swap it with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 And what should I swap it with? another 4 pin 30amp relay any of the other relays for a quick test will do, they just pull out of the base socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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