Yep we got it, nigel should have the photos, it was a real bu**er, but thanks to Mark and some innocent bystanders whoi helped shift rocks and spare wheels to make a sort of bridge with bridging ladders we took the punch. Oh and as usual I have posted in the wrong place and put my thanks in the international forum after thinking i was being clever and doing a search over there. Oh and had to change my username as lost the other one ???? so from this day forward I will be known as D-lander, anyone want to buy a slightly used 90, with hover facility