Seth Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Indicators are all out but bulbs and fuses ok If I put hazards on, nowt happens (no clicking noise or light) , if I try the indicator stalks nothing (with or without the engine on) but if I put the hazards on (with engine running) and the put the indicator on left or right, the hazards flash. I made a similar tester as per Lukes guide http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopi...itch+indicators and when I connect the purple (permantent supply) to the Green and White (right indicator) or the Green and Red (left indicator) the 3A (tester) fuse blows each time (indicator light on dash lights for a split second, not sure if indicators light as not able to move fast enough ) further info: I guessed it may be a short and there was some old wiring for spot lights behind the grill. I disconnected all the wires from the black (solenoid?) box fastened near the radiator and taped off the blue wire from the back of the right main headlight (which work). Can't see any thing else that looks split, frayed or hanging loose. many thanks Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 could be a internal short in the flasher relay, have to tried a known good replacement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 If I put hazards on, nowt happens (no clicking noise or light) , if I try the indicator stalks nothing (with or without the engine on) but if I put the hazards on (with engine running) and the put the indicator on left or right, the hazards flash. This is strange, though i suspect its linked to my point below. when I connect the purple (permantent supply) to the Green and White (right indicator) or the Green and Red (left indicator) the 3A (tester) fuse blows each time I doubt this is the relay, if all you are doing is connecting the purple wire to the right or left indicator, the relay is not involved in the circuit. I would suspect the column switch. it sounds like it's shorting to ground in the 'off' position, which is what's blowing the fuse. when you move it away from off, it no longer shorts, which allows the hazards to flash. I wonder though, if this short is correct, what damage it is doing/has done to the flasher unit, and why the main fuse hasn't blown. both of this questions could be answered by the specific way the switch is failing. It's a vague diagnosis, I would test the flasher relay with a link wire from 'permanent supply' to 'supply to flasher' then wire a test bulb from '*flash*' to ground. the test bulb should flash (probably too fast, due to insuffucient load on the relay, but it'll prove it works) Then i would disconnect the stalk, and try the 'supply' to 'left/right' indicator links, and see if that stops the fuse blowing and lights (constantly) the correct lamps. you could also try the above with the indicator stalk in the left or right positions, and see if the fuse blows then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted June 21, 2008 Author Share Posted June 21, 2008 ty chaps will test once rain stops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Might help if you've got a friend with a spare indicator switch, plug it in and see if it resolves the issues. If you fill in your location a fellow forum nearby may be able to help or offer a substitute for you to try. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 I have tested the loom and all indicators light if power supplied from flasher unit connections. I have disconnected the purple wire from the indicator stalk and the hazards now flash but on the dash, it is the trailer indicator panel that flashes? btw the plastic circlip type thing, which connects the indicator/ lights/ wiper unit to the steering column has snapped allowing unit to spin on column but when plastic cover on it holds it in place. I am guessing that it is the indicator unit but would appreciate your thoughts re the trailer dash light flashing not the indicator diplay before I replace? If it is the indicator unit do I have to remove the steering wheel to replace? if anyone is close to Tameside with a spare unit I would be happy to buy you beer as always thanks for all the help it is greatly appreciated Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Seth ---and the hazards now flash but on the dash, it is the trailer indicator panel that flashes? that's normal, hazard warning light is within the switch itself & should show a red flashing light in unison with the green trailer indicator warning light on the dash. took this 30sec video from my 110 to show the lights http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v384/wes...nt=MVI_0226.flv If it is the indicator unit do I have to remove the steering wheel to replace? Yes & the column surround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Couldn't ask for a more helpful forum ty ppl. Cheers Western for the vid... and "oh thats normal for a Defender" seems to be a very common phrase lol I will now get the bloody indicator unit ordered and try not to destroy the steering wheel (although I expect it will take some damage before the jobs done thanks again Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 pop into ebay & get one of these pullers for the steering wheel, will save any damage puller for steering wheel I bought one & it was easy to get the wheel off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Glad you've solved the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted June 29, 2008 Author Share Posted June 29, 2008 Glad you've solved the problem well it's not been replaced yet soooo still time for more questions but not so much me solving the problem (v kind of you) more me asking questions and being told what to do next And Western the puller on flea Bay looks excellent and ordered ty (much cheaper than a new wheel) probably be next weekend now before next raft of questions Cheers Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 And Western the puller on flea Bay looks excellent and ordered ty (much cheaper than a new wheel) & safer, shouldn't smack yourself in the mouth with the wheel as it comes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi Chaps, New indicator unit arrived and fault remains the same. Any other thoughts greatly appreciated? Cheers, Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Try a new or known good hazard switch & check the plug is fitted correctly. have you changed the flasher unit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 Try a new or known good hazard switch & check the plug is fitted correctly. will do have you changed the flasher unit ? yes cheers seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 further info for your consideration If I put a live to the "green wire" at the flasher unit and indicate the indicators flash. does that mean the live wire from the fuses to the indicator unit is faulty? and if so, which wire is it? If not any ideas? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Sounds like a broken wire now, which type fuses are fitted glass tube or the later blade type, if the glass fuses remove the one that feeds the indicators & clean the clips then refit the fuse & se if it works, if not reckon you'll need to run a new wire so power can get to where it needs to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 cheers they're the blade type new wire time me thinks and if i find a mouse at the back of the dash it's going to pay thanks again will keep you informed Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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