treebloke Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 At Uplowman recently my front winch would only winch in and not out which was a real pain because it was under tension at the time with a mature Oak tree in the way. A sound guy gave me some good advice which was to stand my Albright upright instead of having lay flat, it had never occurred to me but the little electrodes inside which work on a spring prefer to be vertical. So I did this and it started working after a bit of a tap with a spanner. But he also said to move it nearer to the winch motor. I have since noticed several trucks with their Albrights actually fixed to the motors. Is it really that critical to get it so close and what is the advantage?. How near or far is the optimum distance if there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 mines laid flat & anchored with the built in securing bar on top of the left inner front wing & about 4 feet from the motor connections, not had any problems with it not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Mine is vertical on the inner wing about 2 feet from the motor. I've not had any problems yet. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Bob, makes no difference how far away you have it as long as you use decent cable. No idea if they prefer to be vertical or not, Both my fronts are on their side and seem ok at the moment. To be honest if they are not capable of drawing in at any angle then they certainly are not going to draw in hard enough to make a connection capable of handling the current they need to. So i would have thought they are fine lay down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young bobtail Rhys Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Your symptom sounds like water starting to get in somewhere as myself and a few other mates have had the same problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 In theory, the closer the solenoids to the winch, the better. The current flows into the solenoids through one wire, it then goes between the solenoids and the winch three times, so the nearer you move the solenoids to the winch, the shorter the total length of wire used, therefore you lower total resistance (however small it may/may not be). as you shorten the three wires, you're lengthening only one, so you're completely removing two times the distance of wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 my Albright upright instead of having lay flat, it had never occurred to me but the little electrodes inside which work on a spring prefer to be vertical. must be very weak springs if they can't beat gravity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 90 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 In theory, the closer the solenoids to the winch, the better.The current flows into the solenoids through one wire, it then goes between the solenoids and the winch three times, so the nearer you move the solenoids to the winch, the shorter the total length of wire used, therefore you lower total resistance (however small it may/may not be). as you shorten the three wires, you're lengthening only one, so you're completely removing two times the distance of wire. Totally agree with the theory but in practice, as long as you use decent cable you wont notice any difference. IMHO you much better off have slightly more cable and have them out of harms way. Ive had them broken when mounted on the front by stray branch's etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Both my front ones are like this the original in the pictures has always been like this lid flat the paper work says anyway except upside down never had an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest weeble Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 At Uplowman recently my front winch would only winch in and not out which was a real pain because it was under tension at the time with a mature Oak tree in the way.A sound guy gave me some good advice which was to stand my Albright upright instead of having lay flat, it had never occurred to me but the little electrodes inside which work on a spring prefer to be vertical. So I did this and it started working after a bit of a tap with a spanner. But he also said to move it nearer to the winch motor. I have since noticed several trucks with their Albrights actually fixed to the motors. Is it really that critical to get it so close and what is the advantage?. How near or far is the optimum distance if there is one. Bob, Mine did exactly the same on the rear winch. I had the solenoid laid flat and after a while it started to play up. I then did as you say and moved it to an upright position and if seemed to cure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 albright copies? or genuine albrights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest weeble Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 The rear one is a genuine allbright but the front is a copy one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted July 4, 2008 Author Share Posted July 4, 2008 albright copies? or genuine albrights? Copies. Sack em?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treebloke Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 After putting it upright it still refused to work every time, it will winch in but not out and Berts has exactly the same problem (it had been flat) so I have put a goodwinch one on mine. I am happier with this straight away as I prefer the spade conectors to the tiny little screws. The instructions for the new one states it can be laid flat or upright as long as the conectors are uppermost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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