Cat_J Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 While driving yesterday the oil light started coming on at low revs, but went off with a little throttle. When I got it home it was making some nasty sounds. Sounded like a big end had gone. This morning it was going into the garage and I thought it would be okay to drive there gently if it was only the big end. Half way to the garage (not far away) it started making some horrible sounds that I can't really describe then died with a final scraping sound that sounded like metal on metal. I phoned the the LR guy and he said he'd come and tow me and while I was waiting I decided to try to turn it over it make sure it wasn't seized. It turned over and started up but then died instantly. I'm now thinking its the timing belt adjuster. When it died I thought the belt had snapped but then thought that it wouldn't even start at all if the belt had gone completely. Anyway, any thoughts? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ5UL Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm sorry for what happened. Can't help you really much, but I have a question: How many miles was the engine passed? I'm just about to rebuild mine 200Tdi, it' s on 200.000 miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 180000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ5UL Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sorry.... Mine was burning 2-3 liters of oil per 1000 km. All the piston rings, two of the pistons and crankshaft bearing has gone, along with the oil pump gears, valve seals ... turbocharger also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 when was the timing belt last replaced ? or could be the rocker shaft has sheared or camshaft number 4 bearing has moved & blocked the oilway & partly seized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm not sure, looking through what service history it has I can't see it. Could be quite old. What would be the worst of the three. I may be looking for a new engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 worst would be timing belt snapped, bent valve pushrods & possibly broken rocker arms, the valves meet the piston face square on, so it's not often a valve has to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Doesn't sound too bad to fix... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Doesn't sound too bad to fix... if it is a snapped belt then, front cover & water pump off, rocker cover & shaft off, replace ALL 8 pushrods, check all the rockers are OK & refit with a new belt & tensioner. hope it's not to serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 Its sitting at a local LR independent garage at the moment but I'm thinking of bringing it back here to do it myself. At the cost of £40/hour I think i'd rather spend more time on it and save the money. Anything else that I should look out for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 while the pushrods are out have a look down their tubes to see if the cam followers are ok, if any damage seen, it's a cylinder head off to replace them & the lift pump & cover plates on the engines right side & 4 small bolts the secure them in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 The valves are bent, 3 of the pushrods are bent and all the rocker arms are fine. Getting the pully off the cam belt cover is being a pig but thats the result of age. Rather than rebuilding the head (i'm not doing that) which will be costly does anyone know a good source for a new one. Also will a 300 head fit straight on? Pretty sure its a cam belt or the adjuster now but haven't got to it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Also western, could you please give me the all the part numbers I need to replace the radiator hoses. They all need replacing as they have all expanded. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 here you go 200Tdi Defender Rad hoses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 Im actually considering sending my head off to turner engineering and get them to sort it out (maybe performance upgrade too). Do you know if the 200/300 heads are interchangeable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If your timing belt has snapped, the head will be fine. Just pushrods and timing gear is all that's usually needed on a 200TDi engine. Can't understand the metallic scraping noise though - the engine usually just dies. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 The valves are bent too but is there much work in replacing the valves and pushrods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty_wingnut Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Seized cam shaft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 No, it turns over okay and I even managed to start it after it died but it just died again straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 If the timing belt had snapped you wouldn't be able to start it at all. How do you know the valves are bent? Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I was told they are but on closer inspection they are not, which is what I was expecting anyhow. Its not the belt, after the cover came off the belt was still attached but the cam shaft has broken. Was going to look into a new engine but its being stripped to see if its worth repairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 At the minimum you would need new cam bearings and cam. It must have taken some force to snap the cam - I wonder what caused it. A new camshaft from Craddocks is only £45 + VAT + delivery, so not the end of the world. Reaming the cam bearings (bare engine block) and your time will be the worst. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'd go with Les on this, very unlikely the valves are bent as they are square to the piston face. you should be able to find a suitable engineer near you or forward the block to Turners for fitting/remeaming cam bearings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_J Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a local LR engineer here who will do it. Les, if you were doing it how long would you quote for it? Thanks for all your help so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger90 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I've got a local LR engineer here who will do it. Les, if you were doing it how long would you quote for it? Thanks for all your help so far. oil relief valve! mothers 300 did the exact and made the exact noises. me and the old chap pulled the head off looked the pistons. no damage. pulled the sump off and oil releif valve and it was stuck.. the crank was worn beyond regrinding and the shells got hot so that means a loacking of oil circualtion. we changed the shells but after 30 mile the noises come back. its only a suggestion it mau not be that but its a though lol cheers then all the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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