Rickspark Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Vehicle: Discover Series II, Year 2003, Model TD5, ES Fault: Front Sunroof fails to operate, rear roof works as normal. Symptoms: When pressed, the switch causes the electronic control unit (ECU) to click but there is no sound from the motor or movement of the roof. Suspect cause of fault: Sun roof suffered a leak following a build up of debris between the glass and the seal 1 year earlier 1. Tools 2. Unclip sun visors and remove screws to lower overhead storage tray. 3. Unclip cable and remove the 3 fixing screws. 4. Remove the 3 screws securing the motor housing to the worm gear case 5. Separate motor from worm gear. 6. Dismantle 7. Clean 8. Place match sticks under each brush spring. 9. Push carbon brushes back to clear commutator. 10. Pack motor bearing with grease. 11. Push motor rotor into housing, then add the brush housing and remove the match sticks. Check the springs rest on the brushes. 12. Pack the worm gear with grease, part assemble and check the seal is located correctly. 13. Replace the screws. 14. Remount winder mechanism, secure with screws and reconnect. 15. Test 16. Replace the overhead storage shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Fleet Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Very good description. Thank you for posting. But how did the water get inside in the first place? Faulty rubber seal? Or is a naff seal design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickspark Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Very good description. Thank you for posting. But how did the water get inside in the first place? Faulty rubber seal? Or is a naff seal design? Small twig sitting between the glass and the seal. Cleaned seal and glass, all okay after that. Some of those images are incorrect. Is it possible to change them or would I need admin to delete so I can re-post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Re-post it as you want it and I will copy and paste it into the original one at the top, probably easiest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First_Fleet Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Small twig sitting between the glass and the seal. Cleaned seal and glass, all okay after that. I understand that Rick, but I meant the water in the motor housing, as it appears fairly water tight. Or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickspark Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 I understand that Rick, but I meant the water in the motor housing, as it appears fairly water tight. Or am I missing something? Not sure but the worm gear housing does not look particularly water tight. Screws were a little slack between the motor and gear so I guess it could also have been the seal between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead63 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Not sure but the worm gear housing does not look particularly water tight. Screws were a little slack between the motor and gear so I guess it could also have been the seal between the two. I believe these sunroofs are famous for the frames distorting in the roof allowing water to enter the roof lining due to poor design/quality. They either have to be removed/rebedded in sealer or sealed insitu as a less permanant fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggie Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 The matchstick was missing off the tools required. As I live 50 miles from the nearest shop, it would have been a nightmare!!!! Othere than that excellent post!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.t Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Top man! I took my motor out and condemned it last week as it looked bad... (like yours) I will now have a go at stripping as I luckily didn't bin it... not sure where the screws are mind! Sunroof has been tested with a Makita on the gearbox (motor removed) and is fine. CHEERS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.t Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Well, Got the rotor out of the unit, but it was a little worse than yours.... The bearing in the 'cage' at the back of this shot came out with it due to the bearing being seized on the shaft. Even with a soaking in plus gas... Heat got the bearing off and I managed to get the bearing back in the cage..... Whether it stays or not..... ...so If you have issues removing this part, consider using a bit of heat on the back of the motor to expand the bearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickspark Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Well, Got the rotor out of the unit, but it was a little worse than yours.... The bearing in the 'cage' at the back of this shot came out with it due to the bearing being seized on the shaft. Even with a soaking in plus gas... Heat got the bearing off and I managed to get the bearing back in the cage..... Whether it stays or not..... ...so If you have issues removing this part, consider using a bit of heat on the back of the motor to expand the bearing. That should do it I reckon, kill or cure, nothing to lose, blow torch on the back and twist it with mole grips, might do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickspark Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Re-post it as you want it and I will copy and paste it into the original one at the top, probably easiest BogMonster, I'm about to re-post having updated the images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.t Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 All working, Thanks for the guide A+! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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