isbjorn Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Hi. Ive got a 96 Disco 1 V8 ES. And it normally starts directly. But when its a bit warm or quite randomly it takes a bit more time (feel like its getting worse). It might take anything from 2-7 sec to get the engine running. It sound like the starter cranks the engine very very slow and by holding the key for a long time it finally starts cranking faster and then starts. Then it runs perfectly. I read about the spider problems and it sounds probable, but I'm not sure if the slow cranking can actually be a symptom of that? If so I can just get the by-pass thingy. Just wanted to be sure first. It got new fresh batteries and the connections look good. Cheers and thanks from switzerland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alland Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 hi id say you have a lazy starter have it checked out is the timing right on the distrubutor ?sometimes earlier v 8s were too far advanced and backing off slightly made a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Shouldn't that give a starter problem quite often. And not only 1s every 3 days or so? And the starter might be worn out, but why would that only show when the car has been running and is warm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 It could be the internal electrical resistance in the starter changing when hot , are your earth points all good ? Or maybe the battery is dying- worth getting a discharge test done on it if you can cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted November 11, 2014 Author Share Posted November 11, 2014 Well. Brand new batteries, and the earth points should be just fine. I have to dubble check. Still don´t make sense since its very very unconsistanst. Just got a new fault as well. The key refuse to rotate when trying to start him... Also quite random. Anyway. I will investigate further and let you know what i find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Classic starter motor problems I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Well, now its dead. Clicks but can't rotate the engine, no sound what so ever. Ordered a new starter so we will se if that helps. Always wait until its to late is my new motto! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 I just replaced the starter. That solved everything. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 8, 2016 Author Share Posted June 8, 2016 Hmm, There is a new quite nasty hard metallic grinding? sound when turning the key. Only until the engine starts. Maybe around around 1 second. Is that normal? Its a remanufactured Bosch starter. Thanks for any thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igol Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I'd be checking the state of the bearings on the water pump fan etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Well. It really sounds like its the starter making those horrible noises. Its only while cranking, and long as I'm holding the key in starting mode. Is there any way I could have mounted the starter wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Is there any need to adjust the starter or check the clearance to the flywheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 No , it can only go on one way and there is no adjustment , is it a manual gearbox? ( was thinking auto = broken flex plate) It maybe the replacement starter has the wrong number of teeth on the gear ? I remember having issues with RV8 starters many years ago different models different gear ratio , but I thought the rover diesel starter is the same all the way from the 2 1/4? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 .........oops just re-read your first post and it is a V8 , so pull it and count the teeth compared to the old one cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 21, 2016 Author Share Posted June 21, 2016 Well, the new one is a LRT00169 = 9 teeth, and the old one got the same. If the new starter isn't miss labeled they should be the same. And the body is exactly the same. Manual gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 does it have an over-run clutch in the pinion assembly ? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Problem solved. Removed it and it was quite obvious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 that'll be it then , why did it break ? cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Not sure. Im guessing I tighten it to hard... It was super stuck when I removed the old one and required a lot of force. When installing the new one I just some muscle, but not nothing extra ordinary.... Apparently I was wrong. Anyone got the torqnumbers for it? The lower bolt hole also got a crack, but I'm guessing thats from the vibrations due to the top part being broken... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve b Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Maybe the raised ring on the mounting face wasn't quite located in the hole ? there is enough clearance in the bolt holes for the register to be out of line so when it's tightened the starter will be at an slight angle which would cause this . Nice simple fix though , much better than a stripped ring gear etc. cheers Steveb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isbjorn Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well. Since the new one was broken and the old one didn't work. I moved some parts around and ended up with a semi new starter that works grate. I was also a bit more careful with the torque this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Good job, and love the typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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