Mark90 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This document on the VOSA website outlines the drivers hours and tacho regs for goods vehicles. My understanding is that private non-commercial use is exempt from the regs, pages 16 and 30 show exemption from the EC and UK regs for private non-commercial use. However on 11th April 2007 the exemption rules are changing, see page 42. And for private non-commercial use... From: "Vehicles used for the non-commercial carriage of goods and personal use." To: "Vehicles or combinations of vehicles with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes used for non-commercial carriage of goods." So basically anyone who tows with a 7.5 tonner is stuffed. Thought this might effect some here who use small trucks to carry or trailer vehicles to events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Ah, but surely 'goods' refers to stuff that will be sold on, not to personal property of which a comp safari/trials vehicle & the trailer it rides on would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 Try arguing that with the man from VOSA at the side of the road. 'Goods' do not have to be things for sale, if they are for sale it would be commercial use and tacho required for over 3.5T. This is specifically taking about transporting things for personal use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgnas Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Not read the whole document but I can't see it affects people who can currently drive a 7.5t on their car license as nothing has changed. It would however prevent someone with a valid license driving a 12t without a tacho claiming "non commercial" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 That's right up to 7.5T hasn't changed so most people won't be effected. But many will have a permissible 8.25T train weight allowance, C1+E I think, and they may fall foul of the 7.5T limit. Also turn up to many motorsport events and you will see plenty of people turning up with class 2 vehicles who may not be running on tachos. For those who don't want to read the whole document (there is no need) the changes are summaried here, and teh change to private use exemption is about half way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 They are messing around with new regs for minibusses too. Heaven forbid they leave a system alone that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgnas Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 But many will have a permissible 8.25T train weight allowance, C1+E I think, and they may fall foul of the 7.5T limit. Part of a frequent disagreement between me and my wife. We used to have a "Hobby" caravan. Officially too wide to tow with the Land Rover, alhough it was totally (and frequently ) capable. However legally towable with the horsebox (different width restriction over 3.5t) but stupidly long and slow. My opinion was I can tow anything I like with the horsebox as long as the train weight is less than 8.25t. Her opinion was I could only tow 750kg. A bit academic really as the horsebox does not actually have a towbar on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 My opinion was I can tow anything I like with the horsebox as long as the train weight is less than 8.25t. Her opinion was I could only tow 750kg.A bit academic really as the horsebox does not actually have a towbar on it! She was correct. It is about the maximum allowable mass, MAM. So an unalden 7.5 tonner at, say, 4 tonnes may only tow a trailer with a MAM of 750kg - on a car licence issued before 1997 or whenever it was. The MAM of the vehicle AND trailer may not exceed 8,250kg. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ101 Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Looked into this Chris, after we were talking the other day, Re the 7.5 ton horsebox, towing the Hybrid !! this is what i found, to go to 12 tonnes MAM, all you need is a C1+E ??? taken from HERE Drivers who hold subcategory C1+E - limited to 8.25 tonnes MAM, may apply for provisional entitlement to the new subcategory C1+E, in order to take and pass the test which will increase their combined vehicle and trailer entitlement to 12 tonnes MAM. It is not necessary to gain subcategory C1 entitlement first but drivers have to meet higher medical standards, and pass both the category C theory test and the subcategory C1+E practical test. gone on then,, tell me i am wrong as i only did a quick search !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 I reckon you are right Tim. Also the MAM (or gross weight) of the trailer must be less than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle. Looking at my license note 107 next to C1+E must be the restriction to 8.25T. Need a test to get the full 12T C1+E. Yep just checked 107 = not more than 8250kg from here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgnas Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 I already have "C1E" on my licence. Came free with the "B" pass in a Fiesta in 1991 ! It's not hard to understand why things changed in '94. It is a bit silly passing your test in a mini then being licenced for 7.5T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark90 Posted March 8, 2007 Author Share Posted March 8, 2007 I already have "C1E" on my licence. Yes but that will be a restricted C1+E, see my edited post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 It all seems hideously complicated. As far as I am concerned, my driving licence says that I have to wear my glasses and that there is a 8,250kg weight limit which I take to refer to the MAM. Apparently there is no weight limit on my D1E category though. D1 Minibuses 21 Vehicles with between 9 and 16 passenger seats with a trailer up to 750 kg. See also under BD1+E Minibuses with trailers 21 Combinations of vehicles where the towing vehicle is in subcategory D1 and its trailer has a MAM of over 750 kg, provided that the MAM of the combination thus formed does not exceed 12000 kg, and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle. The above would suggest that I could drive a small coach (or a lorry with extra seats?) with trailer upto 12000kg MAM. Not for hire or reward though. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siearl Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 as i passed my test after 1997 i think i am just about allowed to drive a push bike let alone tow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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