Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Being a bright Sunday morn, I thought I'd try trial fitting my newly acquired Freestyle alloy wheels to the front hubs of my 90 with an early axle. So I've fitted the first one. It was a little tight on the hub but I measured the depth of the hub/drive flange and the flat on the inside of the alloy and all seemed clear. So I fitted the nuts and wound them in until the wheel was flush on the hub Splendid, thought I, OK the dust cap pokes out the middle but it looks OK let's get it off and have a look at the inside of the wheel. So I removed the nuts and went to remove the wheel but it had taken a particularly uncooperative attitude and now refuses to come off the hub. Doh ! Bit of a sticky one, this Any one had this problem ? How did you get the wheel off ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sighnbox Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Hi there Mo Ive a 1990 defender with Tornado wheels on it (more less the same as a Free style) Thay had to be specialy adapted to fit on the landy and the same as yours my dust cap pokes thro the hole. Exactly the same as you what pigs to remove when there on there realy on. Its ussaly a case of a big bit of wood on the back and a dam big hammer and a couple of big wacks but at times realy do take some geting off ussaly a case of a lot of swearing and mega frustration. Hope that helps all I can sugest Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 most likely jammed on the drive member sides, big lump of wood & even bigger hammer should get it to fall off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thanks chaps, problem resolved with a fence post and a sledge hammer It was actually jammed on the hub itself, it cleared the drive flange, a little fettling with the grinder called for methinks Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thanks chaps, problem resolved with a fence post and a sledge hammer It was actually jammed on the hub itself, it cleared the drive flange, a little fettling with the grinder called for methinks Mo I've got a die grinder here with a rather agressive 1/2" diameter cutting/grinding bit... ideal for taking out lumps of aluminium if you've got compressor and want to borrow it Mo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thanks Jim, No need though, I have from die grinder to 9" grinder, I think I can make one of those do the trick I was going to clear the hub rather than the wheel so any of the wheels will go on, is this a wise path to tread ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 This might help mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Thanks Jim Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I'd advise caution here. I think (often a problem) that the wheel might centre on the spigot, so removing it might give some balance issues or worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_d Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 If you managed to get it on then there is not much in the way of interference so I would advise starting with nothing more aggressive than a drum sander and some emery tape on the hub spigot. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Turbo, I thought it centred on the studs . Steve, yup, I'm going to go gently as there not much in it. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Turbo, I thought it centred on the studs .Steve, yup, I'm going to go gently as there not much in it. Mo No it definitely centres on the hub for an alloy. If you loosen the nuts on a vehicle with alloys that fit properly you can spin the wheel in the axis of rotation with the nuts still in the holes and there is quite a bit of movement because the nuts aren't tight in the holes and don't have a chamfer to locate them, the clamping force is flat against flat. It follows from that, that if you buzz out the middle too much (or off centre) with a grinder, it could move off centre and cause the mother of all wheel wobbles. You might get away with it but I wouldn't guarantee it! I guess the only way to do it properly would be to put the wheel on a lathe and turn out the centre to the required amount so it is perfectly even, but I guess a lot of people manage it by being very careful with the grinder as an aside, it makes the theory of needing to balance 4x4 wheels using a machine which centres on the studs a load of bllx for alloys too true for a modular maybe (which does locate on the studs) but not a genuine alloy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Hmmm, food for thought there Stephen. Then it would seem sensible to rework the hub to suit by hand since being steel it'll be harder to work and so take more work for it all to go horribly wrong Also I only have to rework two hubs instead of five rims. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 You could fit the later thinner drive members which should do it or have you got bling HD ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 27, 2008 Author Share Posted July 27, 2008 Stephen, it clears the drive flanges, it's the bit of the hub that the drive flange bolts to that fouls the wheel ! Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharger Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I was under the impression that axles with the deeper rubber centre caps that stick through the middle of an alloy were the incompatible ones with the interfering drive members. I appreciate in your case this isn't true but as an engineer I'd be reticent to file chunks off such an important assembly. Do your wheel studs have the straight line stamped into the end face to show the hub is suitable for alloys? Not teaching grannies about egg sucking here and I'm aware that some aftermarket wheels in the same pattern don't have these issues, but they're your wheels and all but I'd rather not see you dead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 Uh oh, me neither Anyone got a definitive answer on Turbo's thought ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 The studs with the groove in the end are, AFAIK, just marked as such to show they are longer than the other ones - they are fitted to all vehicles now. At the risk of looking like you have crashed through a Scrap Iron showroom window, wheel spacers would be another option, but they are bloody expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Murphy Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 Thanks Stephen, I think I'll pass on the spacers I recall that this hub is actually an old hub that I got from Digger many moons ago. I'll check the hub on the other side in the light of this as thats the original. Would there be a problem with fitting Later Disco front hubs ? Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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