Holyzeus Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 After a conversation with a fellow forumeer it may be that my rear harness fixing may not meet the Reg's required, it is fixed to the rear bulkhead. I have signed up for the AWDC/Challenger series so need this to be able to pass scrutineering. I have looked at the MSA regs/drawing's held on this site which would appear to show that the current fixing may not be good enough however this truck did compete in the 2005 and 2006 AWDC challenge with the current fixing's Comments please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 The new rules for 2009 state that harnesses must be 4 point, ie. there should be 2 points behind you. I personally don't like the fixing being so low down but i'm not sure if it is against the regs. Also new for 09 is the one way valve on fuel breather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 You've probably already seen these in the Technical Regs, but here they are again anyway. I would say that the harness needs to go over a rigid bar or tube before heading down to the bulkhead so it complies with the first drawing. I would then ensure there are some pretty hefty spreader plates involved. And as RV says it must be a four point harness next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 Do you have to have harnesses for all AWDC events then?.Are standard belts not acceptable then?. Yes, standard belts are totally acceptable. The irony is (through revised MSA regs) that 3 point harnesses may not be used, only four or five. So its 3 point conventional seat belts or 4/5 point harnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted December 28, 2008 Author Share Posted December 28, 2008 Might just re-fit some standard one's then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguevogue Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Yes, standard belts are totally acceptable.The irony is (through revised MSA regs) that 3 point harnesses may not be used, only four or five. So its 3 point conventional seat belts or 4/5 point harnesses. Come on Neil, compulsary helmets with neck restraint, minimum 4 point harness, MSA spec cage and built in fire extinguisher. All supplied with annual test and inspection certificate at scrutineering. That should thin the field a bit for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Just out of curiosity, will the regs be different between levels of event? ie Howling Wolf vs Challenger Series - or will they all be using the same set of rules and regs? Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
najw Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Just out of curiosity, will the regs be different between levels of event? ie Howling Wolf vs Challenger Series - or will they all be using the same set of rules and regs?Cheers Mark There is one set of Technical Regulations for all AWDC Challenge events, just as there are for all Trials and all Safaris. The Supplementary Regulations vary to allow different class structures etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plank22 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I hear that having the shoulder straps that low is a good way of breaking your collar bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Do the harnesses have to be FIA ones etc ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ok no-one knows that one..... Do they have to be in date does anyone know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickm Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ok no-one knows that one.....Do they have to be in date does anyone know Barry just fit standard belts, I dont think it says anywhere in the regs that you cant also wear your 3 point harnesses ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Am leaning that way Nick but it's not ideal IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickm Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Am leaning that way Nick but it's not ideal IMHO 4 point would be better but with standard belts and 3 point harnesses your up to 6 point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Stupid suggestion here: How about strengthening your dog-guard and mounting an ali hawse in it, then running the end of the belts down to the bulkhead where you have them currently..... Or coming up with some kind of frame arrangement that comes up from the bulkhead to the rear of the belt holes in the seat?? It's a bit difficult to explain, but I think you might know what I'm talking about. The only problem I can foresee is a lack of support fore/aft in the event of an accident, but might be worth exploring. Otherwise, is it possible to put a tube across the back of the seats, fixed to either side of the hard top with spreader plates. This could either be used as the final mounting point for the belts, or just used to run the belts over to securing points lower down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Stupid suggestion here:How about strengthening your dog-guard and mounting an ali hawse in it, then running the end of the belts down to the bulkhead where you have them currently..... Or coming up with some kind of frame arrangement that comes up from the bulkhead to the rear of the belt holes in the seat?? It's a bit difficult to explain, but I think you might know what I'm talking about. The only problem I can foresee is a lack of support fore/aft in the event of an accident, but might be worth exploring. Otherwise, is it possible to put a tube across the back of the seats, fixed to either side of the hard top with spreader plates. This could either be used as the final mounting point for the belts, or just used to run the belts over to securing points lower down... first option is prob unworkable as the seats are right on the guard therefore it would be virtually no different angle wise to how it is now. the bar should i decide to stay with harnesses is i think the only option however in that space on the wheelboxes is where the webasto/compressor and shortly an air tank reside making fitting awkward as it would have to come up from there. Also as you say the structural integrity of the tube also needs to be ascertained re Reg's think i am gonna have to look around at various trucks and see what they have done and try to get some input from scrutineers in the meantime Thanks for your input Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Barry, could you put a bar accross the truck, in between the side diagonal braces on the exo rollcage? It would mean either drilling large holes in the side of the truck, or making up some fitting flanges so it could be bolted through the sides though. That way you should be able to get the bar high enough to get the angles right, and so as not to encroach on the load bay too much... will draw a picture if it makes it any clearer? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyv8 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 maybe an internal hoop to fix them too i know its a bit ott but so are the regs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Have thought about both option's as they would also strenghten the current cage i guess? (never a bad thing...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 a bar fitted where the cross is marked wouldn't interfere with the current setup in the rear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Butler Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 next year... Sorry, THIS year, do harnesses have to be 3" wide?... I have 2" wide sparco 4-points... and have been told they are no good for this year? Rob PS... this is for 09 HW I am referring to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyv8 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Have thought about both option's as they would also strenghten the current cage i guess? (never a bad thing...) never a bad idea with your driving ability to strenghten everything you can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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filthy boy Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just to clarify. Do the 2 shoulder straps need to be attached to the frame at 2 separate points? Is a single 7/16" threaded bush welded through the cage tube with a a single rated eye bolt not considered adequate? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyzeus Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Just to clarify. Do the 2 shoulder straps need to be attached to the frame at 2 separate points? Is a single 7/16" threaded bush welded through the cage tube with a a single rated eye bolt not considered adequate?Tim Guessing not........ Would that practically be the same as my current setup albeit with a 3 point harness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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