minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Just to possibly get a resource together on how people have fitted their spotlamps, this is how I have done mine. I brought a pair of Wipac 100Watt 8" Dia. lamps at Sodbury as I have been thinking of fitting some of these since seeing an article on Motorsport Fire and Incident Support's (MFIS) 88 and 109 that they had in LRW Jan 2005, a nice pair of white and yellow Series that had been kitted out for support of motoring events such as Hill Climbs, Sprints et cetera. Their 88 had a pair of Wipacs on that were mounted on a plate between the wings, being of the non-A-Bar and non-Bullbar persuasion I liked the idea of how to mount the spots without requireing such ironwork on the front. I got onto my friend (Phil Primmer; West Country Sidecars) who dug some 1"x1" right angle that was 2mm thickness and some 3/16" plate. I made a pair of end plates that were about 1 1/4" x 3" long with a M8 clearance hole each end 1" returned from each edge, and then cut the angle iron such that the overall length of the item would be 31 1/8" long, this being what my vehicle measures (bet others don't!). Phil then MIG-ed the three bits together, and then with a penny washer that was about 2" OD 1/2" ID I cut it in half, and then set the two pieces so that they were located along their centre lines 8" in from the edges ie one located 8" in from port, the other located 8" in from starboard. The two were then MIG-ed onto the right angle so that they were flat with the top of the right angle, this had to be done as the bases of the Wipacs are about 2" diameter with a M12ish mounting stud, alternative was 2" angle iron or 2" strip that would have needed to be rather thick and rather ugly. The holes for the lamps were then filed out so that they were no longer half-moons but totally round by removing material from the right angle portions, and it now looks as such: I've mounted them high as they need to clear my 525 Superwinch that I will be fitting in the future, which therefore meant that it needed to be 8" above the bumper to clear the engagement lever. This is a view showing the room behind and how they are level with the front of the wings: Anyone who's thinking of doing the same on a Series but without a winch, this is how they look when above the number plate, but level with the headlights: How have other people done it on their Defender's, Disco's et cetera and any good or bad parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 (1) 100 watt spots are illegal to use on the highway. (2) they will restrict the airflow to the radiator which will cause problems at altitude (3) what happened to "original" army spec? (4) ever thought of writing an anoracks guide for one of the mags? GM who has highjacked Hillbillies computer again! Today computers..... Tomorrow the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 (1) 100 watt spots are illegal to use on the highway.(2) they will restrict the airflow to the radiator which will cause problems at altitude (3) what happened to "original" army spec? (4) ever thought of writing an anoracks guide for one of the mags? GM who has highjacked Hillbillies computer again! Today computers..... Tomorrow the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1) Can't be fussed to travel 25 miles to my friend with the Guv. vehicle regulations, but if they are not wired for road use then it is not a problem 2) one only has a 4" sq area blocking the rad, and the speeds needed to travel at, approximately 40mph+ that is required to cause issues with air flow, is nothing to consider when travelling at 10mph offroad with an air gap between the lights and grill which allows air to flow around them 3) the lights are pap when night-laning 4) I thought you were the one with the flat cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 You should have said - I've got a bracket just like that one in the shed you could have had, from when I used to have spots on mine.... Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon White Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 P.S your lights are still on upsidedown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 You should have said - I've got a bracket just like that one in the shed you could have had, from when I used to have spots on mine....Jon I like making bits P.S your lights are still on upsidedown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I hope you made a full scale drawing, converted it to solid works, and did a full stress analysis on it 1st Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom P Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 If you have spot lights on you defender do you have to have them on individual switch for them to be legal on the road? I read some where that you have to put a cover on the spotlights when you are driving on the road is this true? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 On my 110, as it's fitted with a Husky winch bumper [genuine original type] for my 55w driving lights I used 2 of the redundant bolt holes where a 'A' bar used to be fitted [by a previous owner of the winch/bumper] also have 2 fog lights fitted below the headlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 If you have spot lights on you defender do you have to have them on individual switch for them to be legal on the road?I read some where that you have to put a cover on the spotlights when you are driving on the road is this true? Tom NOT true, 100 watt lights are NOT UK road legal, 55watt lights are & can be used on road to supplement the normal main beam headlights, these can be wired/switched in 2 ways, 1. via a relay & operated by the main beam switch [as mine are] 2. by a completely seperate switch so you can switch them on/off when needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 I hope you made a full scale drawing, converted it to solid works, and did a full stress analysis on it 1st Nige I think my bosses (he of 20 years aircraft design experience) comment to 1" right angle was "yeah plenty strong enough, you could hang a donkey off it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom P Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 NOT true, 100 watt lights are NOT UK road legal, 55watt lights are & can be used on road to supplement the normal main beam headlights, these can be wired/switched in 2 ways,1. via a relay & operated by the main beam switch [as mine are] 2. by a completely seperate switch so you can switch them on/off when needed. So if I had two 100 watt lights on a separate switch, I would be able to drive on the road with out a cover on them ( I know you cant use them on road) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 So if I had two 100 watt lights on a separate switch, I would be able to drive on the road without a cover on them ( I know you cant use them on road)Tom Yep, but who going to know there's 100w bulbs in there, probably no-one unless they read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom P Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Yep, but who going to know there's 100w bulbs in there, probably no-one unless they read this. lol ok Thanks for the help Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 anytime Tom, my 2 lights above the screen are 55w work lights, but I sometimes use them on road as they are seperatly switched to all other lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 I've just spent the past half hour trying to find the Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) regs on the net and have failed, would be nice to find it in writing stating what is legal and what is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I've just spent the past half hour trying to find the Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) regs on the net and have failed, would be nice to find it in writing stating what is legal and what is not It's these you need road vehicle lighting regulation 1989 B) should keep you in reading for a few days/weeks/months/years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 It's these you need road vehicle lighting regulation 1989 B)should keep you in reading for a few days/weeks/months/years yeah, but all I could find is a limit on how far they could be from the edge of the vehicle, nothing about a limit on how many watts a lamp is allowed to be still searching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bush65 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 I think my bosses (he of 20 years aircraft design experience) comment to 1" right angle was "yeah plenty strong enough, you could hang a donkey off it" IMHO, you will find that the natural frequency (of vibration) is too low. We have plenty of wild donkeys here in Aus, but the roos would destroy it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 IMHO, you will find that the natural frequency (of vibration) is too low.We have plenty of wild donkeys here in Aus, but the roos would destroy it first. Ah, but the Moment of Inertia of the Bending Moment will turn your Roo's Gay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Raider Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 ROB!!!!!!!!!!! ANSWER YOUR TEXT MESSAGES!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE GOING LANING TOMMOROW YOU ARE COMING!!!! IN YOUR TRUCK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 ROB!!!!!!!!!!! ANSWER YOUR TEXT MESSAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!WE ARE GOING LANING TOMMOROW YOU ARE COMING!!!! IN YOUR TRUCK!!! sorry, been on the wine and it was set to silent, just phoning Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 yeah, but all I could find is a limit on how far they could be from the edge of the vehicle, nothing about a limit on how many watts a lamp is allowed to be still searching IIRC the regs only state minimum wattage not maximum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minivin Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 Only 'Obiglatory' lights have wattage limits i.e. sidelights,taillights,indicators,headlights all other lights come under optional lights, IIRC the regs only state minimum wattage not maximum Bit of a fluffy area then, would be nice to pin something down I've just created a new topic with the spot lamo posts in it this one is now the regs and general topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 OK, just spotted that change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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