axlechorus Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Hi I am looking at getting a pair of either dislocation or relocation cones for the back of my Discovery 1 200tdi. It is running +2inch OME springs with +4inch prop comp rear shocks so I need come cones as I managed to pop a spring out on a recent laning trip when traversing a cross axle up hill. I have had a look about and have narrowed my choice down to either of these. Gwyn Lewis spring relocators that work from the top - http://www.gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/page68.html or the QT services relocation cone things. - http://www.qtservices.co.uk/parts/range-rover-classic/reverse-dislocation-cones-a204_reverse-dislocation-cones-a204.html They are pretty much the same price so that doesnt matter. What I am interested in is how they work on the road as I do a fair few motorway miles in it and also how successful/reliable they are in locating the spring back after a twist as I have heard that some of the more basic dislocation cones aren't that reliable and also manage to make a sound like a shotgun when doing so. Any input or if anyone uses something else that may be better please let me know. Cheers Ryck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick w Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 one small thing to think about is some off road sites and clubs dont allow dislocation cones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 @ nick w thats interesting to know and something I would never have thourght about. Do you know anymore on which ones and any reasons? I'm 99% sure that our club doesnt have any policies on them as a fair few cars run with them including committee members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam001 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Really? is it not better to relocate the cone then for the spring to come out, smash into a tyre and cause a blow out?? Very confused as to why any P&P would not like them :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 one small thing to think about is some off road sites and clubs dont allow dislocation cones This has me confused too, any explanation? As far as the options, I would go with Gwyn's option, they are fine on road and aren't going to affect things or make noise as long as the spring doesn't actually dislocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy2986 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Hi, I didn't have a lot of luck when I used dislocation cones on the top of the spring, a few times the spring missed the cones altogether ! I then put them on the axle instead and had a lot more success. they were just the 'normal' QT style ones. However I now use X springs and dont even think about the springs dislocating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPendrey Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 I don't know much about these things... but why not use jubilee clips to secure the spring to the mount? Would this significantly reduce articulation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 @Spendry - Yes the spring will max out while the shock still has more to give. I'm pretty sure I will need to increase the length of the brake hose in the middle, What are you experiances guys? Bowie69/andy2986 - this is what I was thinking as the Gwyn ones have the hook to stop total dislocation whilst the QT ones on the bottom are in what I hear is the better position. In thinking for my the Gwyn ones would allow the additional 2 inches in their design before the hook so unless I am going onto +6 shocks which with a 2 inch lift will compromise up travel significantly that the Gwyn ones are most appropriate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Yes. You could go +5.5" shocks (from Gwyn) and raised shock mounts (from Gwyn) and then the relocations would have more of a job to do No loss of up travel either. Surprisingly cheap TBH, though it may not be in your budget, and only requires a couple of spanners and I think it totals 9 bolts you need to undo/redo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 26, 2010 Author Share Posted July 26, 2010 @Bowie69 - Good in which case I will go with those. Indeed they are a pretty good price as a package. However the rear shocks are only about 500miles old as I had to renew them just over a month as the old pro comps where rather shot and being a student now rather than on my Year In Industry I need to mind the purse strings However I may well go for those in time as I renew/get some pennies. That rear setup and a Detroit locker would be rather effective I think. Cheers for all your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispyme Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Our Comp truck is running the Gwyn hook re-location cones, with +3" springs and +5" terra firma remote shocks. Our articulation is more than enough. Relocation cones' hooks have managed to save the axle of Moose's truck too when his a-frame joint went. They stopped the axle rotating around too much. Not a design but a useful side effect. I would always go Gwyn stuff, its nice, original, thought out kit and never over priced. MHO is go with the Gwyn stuff If some P&P sites don't allow relocation (never heard of before) just use a jubilee clip of two at the top of the springs to retain them for these odd occasions Eeyore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bowie69 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Ah, bit different, that's for restricting silly-silly suspension systems and keeping the competition close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick w Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 Ah, bit different, that's for restricting silly-silly suspension systems and keeping the competition close my mistake still preffer relocations anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 27, 2010 Author Share Posted July 27, 2010 Yeah that wouldn't suprise me with different competitions technical regs. If I am in that position I suppose I would just have to go merry with the tie wraps and jublie clips to keep it all stationary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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