Off Topic - Any experience with MegaSquirt and a Ford Crossflow engine

[jeremy996]

As my Land Rover rebuild is now nearly finished, I now need to have a look at the Morgan.

Is there any experience out there of MegaSquirting a Ford Crossflow? 1600cc as seen in various Fords and lots of kit cars. I have a spare 711M engine lurking in the garage, so recent bad experience with the quality of points and condensers suggest that now would be a good time to learn about self-build electronic fuel injection.

(The Land Rover is diesel, so not a good subject to learn on).

[Hybrid_From_Hell]

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"Yes"

You need an edis 4 and a crate of beer and asprins (same as trhe rest of us )

The one I did some work on had a XR3 injection system cleverly grafted on it, but throttle boddie may be a easier route ?

have a scout about on www.msefi.com but do not scare yourself too much over there

Nige

[jeremy996]

I've registered with the forum and had a look at the success stories. Nearest to my car is a Ford Fiesta which has been given a GM single point installation. I need to do a lot more research; do you have any more details for the XR3 with mods?

[TheRecklessEngineer]

I haven't done the Ford engine (yet), but I have done a Nissan straight 6 from points and carbs to port injection and EDIS. That was quite involved, including building a custom manifold. I used injectors and throttle body from a Jag straight 6. Gained about +40% in power.

If you want a custom manifold building, I might be persuaded

[jonost24]

There's a x-flow on youtube with MS. You might be able to pm the guy?

[plasticbadger]

Is it really worth it?

To run full MS you'll need to make and fit a fuel injection system, or buy throttle bodies. Niether are a 5 minute process, nor cheap. I've built and run a number of Crossflows (I used to be into Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts before Landrovers) and found that an optical ignition system and good quality coil was all that was needed to make them run well. I always ran Lumination, which replaces just the points and condensor, but still uses the coil and distributor.

It all depends on the rest of the engine setup, my last Xflow had twin Weber 40's, a 300 degree cam, loads of head work, bottom end work etc. For an engine of this spec it would make sense, as getting it to run nice on the carbs was a pain. But with a mild cam and single downdraught weber type engine I don't see the point.

I reckon by the time you've built and set up a MS injection system there's no point using a Crossflow, I'd just start out with a Zetec because for the same money and effort you'd end up with way more power. You'd be losing any 'originality' buy fitting MS anyway.

[jonost24]

As above really.........Zetec - x-flow of the future??

[plasticbadger]

To add, Zetecs run EDIS4 from the factory and the factory injection manifold can easily be re-worked with a fabricated plenum. Megasquirt on one of these is easy. They bolt up to all RWD SOHC (Pinto) geaboxes, such as the Sierra 5 speed. I've not seen too many figures, but I'm sure you could get to 150bhp on a 2 litre Zetec witout any internal engine mods for less than the price of the injection system on the crossflow.

[dirtydiesel]

The x-flow is available fuel injected and coil packed, in the ka and mk4 fiesta in the form of the endura e and hcs engines.

[jeremy996]

Is it really worth it?

I reckon by the time you've built and set up a MS injection system there's no point using a Crossflow, I'd just start out with a Zetec because for the same money and effort you'd end up with way more power. You'd be losing any 'originality' buy fitting MS anyway.

Your question assumes rationality; I own a Morgan and a Land Rover, so I fail that test immediately!

I was a vehicle fitter back in the late 70s, early 80s when analogue fuel injection was new and exciting; I have never had any experience with digital fuel injection and I quite fancy a learning curve like HFH's. That the Ka's Endura E engine has a fuel injection set up suggests that a quick and dirty solution would be to find a used Ka manifold, injection setup and coil packs and drive that with MegaSquirt. (I suppose I'd need some form of timing wheel attached to the crank pulley and a sensor).

I am not looking for speed; for the early '70s the Morgan is fast with 110bhp and 660kg to push, any modern supermini could outrun it now unless I chose the road, (B6047, Melton to Market Harborough); one big attraction of the "bits off the shelf" approach is I could put the car back to standard in a couple of hours.

There is a turnkey replacement for the crossflow or CVH in a Morgan 4/4 available from a Morgan specialist, using a Vauxhall 2.0 16v VVT engine for 180bhp and about £7,000, throughly engineered and very fast, it's just not my cup of tea.

[dirtydiesel]

That the Ka's Endura E engine has a fuel injection set up suggests that a quick and dirty solution would be to find a used Ka manifold, injection setup and coil packs and drive that with MegaSquirt. (I suppose I'd need some form of timing wheel attached to the crank pulley and a sensor).

The ka engines allready have trigger wheels and sensors on them.

if you could pick up a 94ish fiesta or escort you would have a complete bolt on edis setup

[Bowie69]

Pick the ecu up at the same time and you can bolt everything on and fire it up without even touching Megasquirt.....

[plasticbadger]

The x-flow is available fuel injected and coil packed, in the ka and mk4 fiesta in the form of the endura e and hcs engines.

AFAIK The Endura E version used in the KA and Fiesta is only a 1.2L, plus I think some of the inlet manifold studs are in a different location. It's been a LOOOONG time since I looked closely at either engine, but I seem to remember buying a KA inlet manifold gasket to put on my 1600 Crossflow and it didn't fit. It was either the studs or the actual port locations.

The 1.2 capacity would give you an issue to, as that injection setup was never designed to flow the quantity of fuel and air you'd need.