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  1. I fitted mine when I discovered the handbrake drum was well out of round, the shoes shot and the cable frayed. The X-Brake was cheaper than fixing the standard setup! I'm too deaf to worry about pads rattling.
  2. Just to amplify Happyoldgit's comment, I never did receive a response to the e-mail I sent to Ineos, Jim Radcliffe and their press officer. They seem to have a policy of formal engagement with accredited journalists and a general acceptance of social media sources with co-operation only as private individuals, (see the PowerfulUK YouTube video on the previous page). I have got access to all of the press resources and have commented on them where I see fit. I don't get sent them specially. I'm on the 2B tour, together with 100s of others! Just to illustrate what kind of anorak I am, I also stalk the wider web, Facebook, main stream media, the motoring press and YouTube looking for Grenadier content, some of which I post here. (Much of it is just too dull and derivative to give it exposure). If I have missed something novel, interesting or controversial, please add it here or tell me about it.
  3. Watched the PowerfulUK video and agree with Deep, I loath electric handbrakes - just too much to go wrong and will, once the vehicle has some age behind it. Most vehicles are built these days for the first owner and to get to the end of the warranty with the minimum of expense. Building a vehicle to last is not in the modern idiom; they are supposed to self-destruct, so you have to buy another one! If Ineos can build and sell a robust and long-lasting vehicle, I will be delighted. The PowerfulUK narrator mentioned the green credentials of a longer lasting vehicle, (lifted from my website, written 13 years ago, http://www.jeremymedwards.co.uk/Site/Land_Rover_Blog/Entries/2008/7/22_Durable_Car_Ownership.html) "...academic papers presented to a conference, (www.score-network.org) in November 2006. The SCORE conference, (Sustainable Consumption Research Exchange), included one paper on “Cars and Sustainable Consumption” by Paul Nieuwenhuis of Cardiff University. Here, the cost of actually running the vehicle is almost ignored, the emphasis is on the impact of planned obsolescence and the need for there to be an emotional “connection”, to break the normal cycle of consumption and disposal. The author previously identified that the production and disposal elements of a car’s life used up between 20-30% of the total energy used up in it’s total lifetime, (1994), so each car made more durable immediately saves between a fifth and a third of the total energy generally consumed in a “normal’ car’s life." It may be hard to believe that Henry Ford I was an advocate for a durable vehicle, (the Model T), but soon discovered the forbidden fruit of planned obsolescence and regular model changes.
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  5. New article in the Telegraph that members of the forum might find interesting, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/07/22/royals-made-land-rover-ultimate-status-symbol/:- How the Royals made the Land Rover the ultimate status symbol What started out as a hybrid between an Army Jeep, a tractor and car now has a triple Royal Warrant – and has morphed into a ’superbrand’ ByStephen Armstrong22 July 2021 • 7:07pm As product placement goes, it’s both entrancing and confusing – Prince George marking his eighth birthday in front of a Land Rover, wearing a John Lewis shirt. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it’s the Land Rover that has garnered the attention, following Prince Philips’s love of the marque extending to the self-designed custom-built Land Rover Defender that carried his coffin during his funeral in April. Which some people would have thought a bit odd, but never mind. While John Lewis does have a Royal Warrant from the Queen, Land Rover is one of only 14 companies to boast the complete set from the only Royals entitled to bestow such a blessing – the Queen (614 issued), Prince Charles (173 doled out) and Prince Philip (just 35 – which all expire in two years’ time). Land Rover’s fellow triple Warrant champs include the obvious Barbour, the outdoor clothing maker; the not unexpected Hatchards bookselling chain; the intriguing Unitech Complete Computing and the more-information-than-I-needed Blossom and Browne’s dry cleaners. (Harrods, you may recall, lost its triple Royal Warrant in 2000 – technically, according to the Palace, due to the “significant decline in the trading relationship” between the Duke of Edinburgh and the store. Mohamed Fayed accusing Prince Philip of masterminding the 1997 Paris car crash that killed Princess Diana and his son Dodi apparently had nothing to do with it.) What with the whole bespoke Land Rover hearse business, it’s clear that Prince Philip was devoted to the Land Rover to the end – which is curious as the existence of the vehicle is essentially the result of a blag. In the 1930s, Rover – run by brothers Spencer and Maurice Wilks – sold saloon cars for bank managers and solicitors. “Seemly, not flash and the best thing you could get south of a Bentley,” explains Giles Chapman, author of Land Rover, Gripping Photos of the 4x4 Pioneer. Post-war rationing favoured mass exporters – 50 per cent of sales had to be overseas for car makers to qualify for an allocation of scarce post-war steel – so Rover’s low key Solihull factory stood idle until Maurice had a eureka moment. He’d been using an Army-surplus Jeep to mend fences and catch sheep on his Anglesey farm and realised that if he could rip off the 80-inch wheelbase and 4x4 drive, then build a basic machine out of aluminium, he could dodge the rationing rules and offer farmers a cross between a tractor and a car. Indeed, says Chapman, the early prototypes had a tractor-style central seat and the first model had the steering wheel in the middle of the dashboard. “Maurice shamelessly used the Jeep as inspiration – with solid axles and leaf springs front and back, which was perfect for mud and country roads but murder on the M1,” Chapman explains. The company donated the 100th vehicle to King George VI, which proved a branding sweet spot for Wilks and Windsors alike, and the beginning of an enduring love affair. The “go anywhere” working car “for the farmer, the countryman and general industrial use” gave off a classless vibe that suited the whole monarch-of-the-people look which felt appropriate in 1950s austerity Britain and the first Royal Warrant followed in 1951. The Queen and Prince Philip ramped up the relationship considerably, taking a customised Land Rover on their six-month tour of Australia in 1954. Since then, the Queen herself is believed to have owned around 30 of the vehicles. “She’s got farm managers to run her estates, obviously, but the Land Rover is perfect for Balmoral and Windsor,” says Chapman. “The Queen took a course in fixing trucks during the war so is handy with a spanner. She could fix her own car with basic tools, which not something you’ll see today.” Basic tools were all you'd need to keep an old Land Rover running, which was a big part of the appeal. And when Rover management saw the Jeep Wagoneer – essentially a more comfortable Jeep – in the suburban US in 1963, they decided to launch their own version, taking the Land Rover utility vehicle and launching the Range Rover Sports Utility Vehicle. The Windsors were very early customers. The first Range Rover, it’s worth pointing out to today’s Chelsea school-run set, was still pretty much a working vehicle. The suspension may have had coiled springs but had plastic seats, wind-down windows and no carpet – all designed so you could clean it out with a hose after your dogs had made a mess in the back. It may not have been designed specifically for the Queen, but you can see the appeal. And while the appeal of the Land Rover to the Royals is one thing, it’s a relationship that cuts the other way too. Photographs such as this week’s birthday image of Prince George provide the kind of advertising that money can’t buy. Land Rover is essentially the Royal Warrant to end all Royal Warrants – but what is a Warrant worth? In 2018, brand valuation consultancy Brand Finance estimated that some companies earn up to five per cent of their revenue as a result of the Royal Warrant. More recently, however, digital marketing agency iCrossing UK asked more than 3,500 people for their thoughts on the Royal Warrant and found 87 per cent of them had ‘no idea’ what it was. The agency also found that 30 per cent of those people had bought something due to an influencer’s post on social media, suggesting a Warrant is slightly less useful than a decent hashtag. “This brings up the question of how important the Royal Warrant is to consumers today and whether brands should even seek to be awarded a Royal Warrant of Appointment if no one knows what it is,” says Jill Alger, digital strategist at iCrossing. This, argues Rory Sutherland, vice chairman of adland giant Ogilvy, is short-term thinking. A Royal Warrant helps overseas sales – no American can buy a product with a presidential seal of approval, he points out, but its true value lies in something entirely antithetical to influencer culture. For a company to earn a Warrant, its products have to be in regular use by the specific senior Royal for at least five years out of the preceding seven. “It’s something that is slow to be approved and slow to be withdrawn – like a special Amazon rating showing that a business will behave more ethically and be averse to what Karl Marx called the ‘icy water of egotistical calculation,’” he explains. “There is a moral and ethical dimension to the selection – the Royal family were decisive in demoralising fur wearing in the UK, for instance, and Jaguar Land Rover is pushing its electric cars very hard. True, the Royal influence is not as powerful as it was in the Edwardian era, where the King leaving the bottom button of his waistcoat undone set the national trend, but there’s a heuristic that if the Queen buys something it must at least be all right.” For Land Rover, a subsidiary of India's Tata Motors since 2008, this is all theoretical. In 1990, the classic no-frills vehicle was relaunched as the Land Rover Defender (to distinguish it from the marque’s sister models, Discovery and Freelander), but in January 2016 the final car rolled off the production line at Solihull after 68 years – a victim of tougher emissions and safety laws. In 2020, the replacement Defender was launched to stunned reviews – all the magic of the stripped-down rough rider that Her Majesty could fix with a spanner was gone. It had finally morphed into a status symbol machine beloved of footballers’ wives and wealthy west Londoners, a million miles from its roots. No wonder Prince Philip decided to make his own. So sturdy were the original banged-together hard-working 4x4s that some 75 per cent of the originals are believed to have survived, including the first model donated to George VI, which was found buried under some junk in a garage in Ballater, Aberdeenshire. Prince Charles saw the car there in 2007 on a tour of local businesses but seemed perfectly content to leave the thing there. Perhaps that’s the future for both Land Rovers and Royal Warrants alike, argues Alger. “Considering the diminishing awareness of this age-old marketing mechanism, we’re likely to see the Royal family demonstrate their brand advocacy in more contemporary ways,” she argues. “The Warrant could be seen as one of the earliest forms of influencer marketing. It’s built on the same principle – audience affinity and brand advocacy. We’re more likely to buy a product when we see it modelled on someone we relate to or aspire to be like. As seen with Prince George posing with a Land Rover, for instance.”
  6. Always report shortages - and the blaming the aircon. Too many customers complaining will get the cashier checked by internal audit. I've had to organise an intimate search under caution before now, as the errant cashier, already under suspicion, was ratted out by an ex-partner and even the union couldn't object anymore. (ex-Internal Audit, local authorities, credit union and insurance broker).
  7. Just to complete Jamie_grieve's post, here is the second video in the series. His conclusion amused me, but I guess key is this is a vehicle designed in the last 5 years, whereas the old Defender was (mostly) a Series III plonked on a Range Rover chassis, with an dash-pack stolen from random parts in the BL/ARG/Rover bin, followed by less random parts from BMW, Ford and commodity European and Far Eastern parts suppliers. If it failed the "better than the old Defender" test, then Ineos, Jim Radcliffe and Toby Ecuyer should be paraded naked through the streets of London.
  8. The person who never made a mistake never did anything! Thankfully most of my spannering mistakes have been time consuming and/or messy rather than expensive. It is not good for the ego when beloved wife collapses in a heap giggling, at the sight of you blinking like a surprised black owl, then refuses to let you into the house until you have wiped off the worst with a mixture of workshop and baby wipes.
  9. From the pictures you have provided, it looks pretty good, but Defenders can be tarted up very easily, so bitter experience suggests being cautious. The cost seems huge, but I guess that is local market issues. Is the front bulkhead perfect and is it steel? Test with a magnet. What state is the rear crossmember in? Test with a magnet. Is it dripping oil anywhere? From where and how much? Does it start easily and does it smoke?
  10. Having an EPC and full manuals on the vehicle would be great, but the screen is not that big; I'd love a conventional DVD/CD so I can print bits off! I'd even be wiling to spend some money on it, to get the most up to date one, so long as it is not much more than £20 a time. . Any guesses on the OBD access? Via the screen or plug in a reader? I have thought long and hard about access to service; I've had issues with main dealers every time I gave them a vehicle! I'm likely to check that what I'm told has been done is done and I have been disappointed too often. (The text below has been hacked around from entries I have posted on Pistonheads, but summarises my thoughts) The elephant in the room Ineos need to solve for me is servicing and the availability of spares and maintenance data. Back when the project was launched, the concept was "open source" and collaboration with agricultural repairers and smaller independent businesses. If that means I can buy parts as a private individual/small fleet operator and get factory support, (a posh pdf manual, helpline and a service wiki would do), I will be well content. If Ineos can avoid building, (and paying for), a dealer network and harness the goodwill of smaller businesses, they could rejuvenate the small country garage or non-franchised mechanical repair shops worldwide. If they sort the service and maintenance side, the Grenadier should start to sell themselves - lifetime cost of ownership, not the starting cost is the driver here for businesses. OK. So what are the alternatives? The Tesla approach or the conventional motor dealer approach? Neither seem particularly functional at the moment, as Tesla seems to be beset with supply, crash damage repair and servicing issues and the big dealer chains have their own issues, often around paying peanuts and getting monkeys. People are getting rich in the motor trade, but it is not the ones with the diagnostic laptop and the spanners. My favourite franchised dealers were the single site, family owned ones, which are now both uneconomic, (they cannot afford the franchise fee), and very unfashionable, (even if they had the franchise fee, the principal wouldn't award it), which is a terrible shame as they were often marque enthusiasts and often went the extra mile with customer service. Ineos Automotive have previously said the vehicle will be as simple as possible and capable of maintenance in the field, (have a look at the Halo Trust video, https://player.vimeo.com/video/558095245). This is much like the support experience for many agricultural engineers who did engineering at college and are now working for the likes of the tractor manufacturers, plant makers or are self employed. Say Ineos Automotive offered a low or no cost repair franchise to individuals or businesses who can show suitable experience in a mechanical servicing role. The engines and gearboxes will still need specialist repair in the event of catastrophic failure, (no change there), but the rest of the vehicle is no more complex than the plant/tractors/milking machinery they are already dealing with. Diagnosis is always key; is the engine really broken or is the wire to a sensor broken? OBD makes a big difference, but experience of proper fault tracing is very useful. Some retail buyers may be put off by the lack of shiny glass and chrome retail palaces, but the Grenadier isn't aimed at retail buyers, and those that do are looking for an experience. (I can assure them that visiting my local agri engineer is an experience!) Originally Ineos talked about "open source" access to technical data; on balance I think they need to retain some control on who works on their vehicles with access to spares and the franchise model allows that, but keeping it cheap would reduce massively the barriers to entry and hopefully the maintenance cost overall. (Jamie_grieve's comment about traceability rang a bell). I do not see this as "Camel Trophy romance", more a reinvention of the corner garage and the non-chain franchised service dealer. We are not talking about many vehicles here, a small fleet garage could take on the franchise just for access to full service support for their own vehicles. The more I think about it, I would be willing to spend more on a premium product, but it has to be premium in a manner I value, not a turd rolled in glitter. For me, that is serviceability, reliability and longevity, not impressing the Jones's. (And they were impressed when I briefly parked an £80k LR Defender 90 on the drive!)
  11. For me the serviceability is probably most important - I'm not a mud monster. Is it likely I can service it on my drive, without a lift? Were there any hints about service and technical data?
  12. With all due respect, they said one thing and did another! Troubleshooter virtually doubled their wait time. Neither Peter nor Charles were keen on radical change, but they re-priced to the market and started to reduce the waiting list. I went from being able to buy a new Morgan to finding they were just too expensive for me, (in the queue at the time). Money they earnt following the price rises stopped them going broke, helped finance a new line, Aero, and brought development to a more professional, (but not always effective level, see new 3 wheeler) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7182857.stm (Not a great summary, Wikipedia is probably better)
  13. Most of them are just a rehash of the press release, the Grenadier footage and Ken Burns effect over the press pack pictures. I posted the Overland Europe video as it is original and with a slightly different emphasis. They all had the same embargo, so presumably all launched at the same time. Although I have watched more YouTube videos, unless they're novel or interesting I won't link them here. Watching the same footage in German, French and Australian has been educational!
  14. Another "Exclusive" interior reveal but a slightly less breathy analysis and using a styling buck rather than a 2B prototype. There is definitely a touchscreen there! The iDrive controller makes it possible to use gloves and most functions seem to have a switch. From the various videos I've seen, the screen is for the infotainment and the waypoint app. It also seems to show the speedo - which bothers me. Still, all vehicles are a compromise; it's just a case of 'is this a better compromise for me?'
  15. https://asset-cache-4.hypemarks.com/video/fetch/https://video-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t50.16885-16/10000000_993734774772545_1606619336542902819_n.mp4%3F_nc_cat%3D105%26vs%3D18159335518094554_10919543%26_nc_vs%3DHBksFQAYJEdJQ1dtQUJCVTBEb3k0Y0RBQ1BhNlR2RzIwc1didlZCQUFBRhUAAsgBABUAGCRHRkc1dEF5LXBNUVBidzRCQUxqZGNlRnlnWUV1YnZWQkFBQUYVAgLIAQAoABgAGwGIB3VzZV9vaWwBMRUAACa01%2B7DioPWPxUCKAJDMywXQGErtkWhysEYEmRhc2hfYmFzZWxpbmVfMV92MREAdewHAA%3D%3D%26ccb%3D1-3%26_nc_sid%3D59939d%26efg%3DeyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InZ0c192b2RfdXJsZ2VuLjEyODAuaWd0diJ9%26_nc_eui2%3DAeF5-0isyOleWs-jdwrc9ph-PD8wKxxnynA8PzArHGfKcHR9k5Px1VCEwfqfkY-8hws%26_nc_ohc%3Dxier4bwSWioAX-vg_kP%26_nc_ht%3Dvideo-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com%26oh%3Ddc3ee06cc3ab955313c4ae899455720b%26oe%3D60E8D48A%26_nc_rid%3D6cc1f496ad The video clip, (I detest Insagram and the irritating video standards), lifted from the Ineosgrenadier site
  16. An Autocar article, https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ineos-grenadier-interior-revealed-focus-luxury-and-utility, (not behind a paywall and they seem to have taken their own photographs).
  17. And here is the press release:- Strict embargo: 00:01 BST, 07 July 2021 INEOS reveals Grenadier interior: ready for anything work and life throws at it · Innovative design proves that a capable body-on-frame 4X4 can still deliver on modern comfort and refinement · As with the exterior design, the focus is on practicality and utility – from switches and dials, to stowage and customisation options · Interior is built to endure, with hard-wearing materials and integrated tech that will stand the test of time · #GrenadierUnwrapped London, 7 July 2021 – The interior of the INEOS Grenadier is designed on purpose, to deliver the space, practicality and versatility owners need from a hard-working 4X4. Starting from a clean sheet, the design incorporates the modern technology and comfort expected of a vehicle for the 2020s and beyond. “When we started thinking about the Grenadier’s interior, we looked carefully at modern aircraft, boats and even tractors for inspiration, where switches are sited for optimal function, regular controls are close to hand, auxiliary ones are further away,” said Toby Ecuyer, Head of Design. “You can see the same approach in the Grenadier: the layout is functional and logical, designed with ease of use in mind. It has everything you need and nothing you don’t.” Toggle switches and dials on the centre and overhead consoles are widely spaced and clearly labelled. Auxiliary switches have been built in, pre-wired to support the addition of winches, work lights and other accessories. Advanced technology is included only where it benefits functionality and usability. The infotainment system is accessed via a 12.3-inch touchscreen, or by using a rotary dial. The Apple CarPlay and Android Auto integration means users can rely on smartphone navigation which will always be up to date. And the off-road pathfinder navigation system allows drivers to programme, follow and record their route via waypoints, when roads and tracks are left behind. With hard-wearing surface materials throughout, the Grenadier is designed to endure. Drain plugs in the rubber flooring and wipe-down upholstery mean the interior can be hosed out. Water-resistant anti-stain Recaro seats provide ergonomic support and comfort on or off the road. Carpets and leather upholstery will be available for those aiming to leave the mud and sand outside. Stowage space has been maximised, with a dry storage box under the rear seat, a lockable central console cubby box, and secure side-mounted storage in the rear load area. There is also scope for individualisation, with a wide range of interior options and accessories to help each owner customise the Grenadier to best perform its role. Dirk Heilmann, INEOS Automotive’s CEO, said: “Inside and out, the Grenadier has been designed to do a job - to get people and their kit where they want to go in comfort, in control and with no fuss. It just works.” 130 second-phase Grenadier prototypes are currently half-way through their target of 1.8 million kilometres of gruelling testing around the world. Next stage: the dunes of Morocco. Reservations will open from October 2021 and deliveries will start from July 2022. -Ends- Contact details: Sarah Pelling, Head of PR, INEOS Automotive +44 (0) 7887 451773 sarah.pelling@ineos.com About INEOS Grenadier In 2017, INEOS Chairman Jim Ratcliffe, a car enthusiast and experienced adventurer, identified a gap in the market for a stripped back, utilitarian, hard-working 4x4 engineered for modern day compliance and reliability. INEOS Automotive Limited was formed and a senior team of automotive professionals assembled to bring the vision to reality with a fresh perspective of 4x4 development and manufacturing. Combining rugged British spirit and design with German engineering rigour, the Grenadier will be a truly uncompromising 4x4 built from the ground up. Engineered to overcome all conditions, it will provide best-in-class off-road capability, durability, and reliability to those who depend on a vehicle as a working tool, wherever they are in the world. INEOS Automotive is a subsidiary of INEOS Group (www.ineos.com), a leading manufacturer of petrochemicals, speciality chemicals and oil products. It employs 22,000 people across 34 businesses, with a production network spanning 183 manufacturing facilities in 26 countries. From paints to plastics, textiles to technology, medicines to mobile phones, materials manufactured by INEOS enhance almost every aspect of modern life. In 2019, INEOS had sales of circa $61bn and EBITDA of around $6bn. To find out more about Grenadier, visit www.ineosgrenadier.com
  18. New article in the Telegraph, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/inside-ineos-grenadier-practical-fashionable-4x4-workhorse-without/ Inside the Ineos Grenadier: a practical and fashionable 4x4 workhorse without trying too hard The interior of the rugged off-roader has been revealed, along with details of who the car is being pitched at ByAndrew English, MOTORING CORRESPONDENT7 July 2021 • 12:01am “Just the thing for the zombie apocalypse,” says Mark Tennant with a wicked grin as he describes the new Grenadier 4x4 utility slated for deliveries next July with a starting price of about £45,000. Ineos Automotive’s commercial director attributes the quote to a group of American off-road enthusiasts who have been polled by the company as it developed the Grenadier. They were part of a large group of potential customers for the go-anywhere vehicle aimed at filling a gap in the market vacated by Land Rover’s old Defender, the Mitsubishi Shogun and Toyota Land Cruiser. Most current 4x4s such as the latest Defender have eschewed the Grenadier’s old-style body-on-frame layout and have car-like monocoque bodyshells rather than a separate chassis with long-travel suspension. The two-seat commercial version of the Grenadier will cost from about £45,000 including VAT (a commercial version of the all-new Defender is already on sale). Five-seat commercials and two- and five-seat station wagon versions will be available in July. A double-cab pickup is definitely on the way and the company hasn’t ruled out a short-wheelbase version. Ineos Automotive is a subsidiary of the chemicals giant owned by Jim Ratcliffe although there’s plenty of experience in the team developing the new car, which has had a partial unveiling last week. While the silhouette of this near five-metre-long utility has definite links with the old long-wheelbase Land Rover Defender, Toby Ecuyer’s design is unique in its overall shape and details. This is especially so in the interior, which shuns the current trend for touchscreen and voice-recognition technology and derives heavily from aircraft flight decks, plant- and agricultural-equipment facias, as well as the marine control panels which form Ecuyer’s background. While there is a centre touchscreen which looks very like that from BMW (which also supplies the six-cylinder twin-turbo petrol and diesel engines) the ancillary buttons including those for the heating and ventilation are separate, large and etch-marked with their function. These are located in screw-mounted metal-finish switch panels in the centre console and roof; the facia owes more to the Isle of Wight hydrofoil than it does state-of-the-art car manufacturing, but Ecuyer is adamant that this is a long-lasting and durable solution. “We did look at a fashionable car, but realised that this would make statements that would be fast out of date,” Ecuyer says, “so we quickly dialled that back." Instead, the no-nonsense mien is tough and easy to use, and it really is a hose-out floor at least, with rubber bungs to drain the water. Most of the potential options such as winches and roof lights are already pre wired, so there’s no requirement to dismantle the interior to fit these extras. Similarly, saddle-leather options for things like the steering wheel cover will stain and adopt the shape of the user's hands over time. Ineos is keen to open-source its wiring and luggage-locking systems to encourage outside suppliers to create specialist equipment for the Grenadier. In spite of the Grenadier’s rough, tough approach, the interior feels airy and comfortable with lots of room for rear seat passengers – at least in the station wagon version that was on display. “Always in our minds was the need for a practical vehicle, but not [because it is utilitarian] rubbish inside,” says Ecuyer. “There’s no reason why a utilitarian vehicle can’t keep you warm, dry and comfortable.” Ecuyer has worked closely with the main design and engineering offices at Magna Steyr in Austria, which is one of Ineos’s engineering partners. This Austrian four-wheel drive specialist is part of the Canadian engineering giant Magna and has worked with Mercedes-Benz on its acclaimed G-wagen, as well BMW and Jaguar, and also runs a number of contract-assembly plants. On the exterior the Grenadier has a number of other innovations such as the racking systems built into the rear panels, doors and roof to enable extra carrying capacity. These attachment points will also be open-sourced to encourage aftermarket equipment suppliers. There are built-in attachment points on the side of the roof (where the old Safari window lights were mounted on a Defender) and rubbing-strip panels which means the Grenadier will be able to carry up to 150kg up there without requiring a roof rack. Exterior equipment storage is possible, but the planned lockable boxes were ditched because, as Ecuyer explains, “by the time we’d ensured safety and access, they really weren’t big enough to be useful”. Despite its utilitarian roots, Ineos thinks Government and emergency services will form just 10 per cent of orders, with the majority (more than 55 per cent) going to lifestyle markets especially in the US where hunting and fishing pastimes often demand specialist off-road vehicles. Utilitarian markets such as farming and estate management along with ski and safari adventure firms are predicted to occupy a quarter of sales, while 10 per cent of the output is anticipated to go to off-road driving enthusiasts who will value the Grenadier’s solid coil-sprung beam axles and three differential locks as standard. The company claims it has 300,000 unique users on its website, with 40,000 “hand raisers” who say they are prepared to buy. Zombie apocalypse excepting, Ineos plans to open reservations this October. Annual production will be around 25,000 to 30,000 when the factory is at full steam, and the main markets will be in Europe and North America with sales and servicing agents currently being recruited around the world. Named after a Belgravia pub, the Grenadier has been the topic of intense media interest since the start-up company ditched plans for a vaunted Welsh production site (along with a Portuguese plant) and bought the former Mercedes-Smart facility in Hambach in eastern France. In fact, since January this year, Ineos Automotive has been producing Smart cars under licence for Mercedes, while at the same time preparing for Grenadier production on a line formerly intended for a large Mercedes battery-electric SUV. “It’s given us confidence that we can produce cars to the standard required,” says Tennant. “The Smart cars we’ve produced have had a slightly higher quality standard and the plant safety has also improved.” The facts Ineos Grenadier Price/availability: from £45,000 including VAT/orders open in October for delivery in July 2022 Engines/gearbox: BMW straight-six-cylinder twin turbo 281bhp/332lb ft petrol and 245bhp/406lb ft diesel, eight-speed torque converter automatic gearbox with two-speed transfer case giving a set of low-speed crawler gears, permanent four-wheel drive with three lockable differentials Construction: ladder frame chassis with separate body, coil-sprung solid beam axles (Panhard rod location at the rear) Towing capacity: 3.5 tonnes Length/width/height: 4,927mm (inc spare wheel)/1,930 (exc mirrors)/2,033mm Wheelbase: 2,922mm Wheels/tyres: 17- or 18-inch steel or alloy rims with Bridgestone or Goodyear all-terrain tyres (I've pulled images from the Ineos Grenadier press pack, rather than the Telegraph ones, although most of them are the same. The infographic is Ineos' own).
  19. I was daft enough to watch the video on release and was thinking of what it reminded me of; '80s high end hi-fi, military radios and a late '90s sound mix desk. All it needed was a slider somewhere and I would be transported back to 2000, when I owned a music studio! Is it bad? No, it should be easy to use in gloves or with cold hands; it is not part of the modern car aesthetic, smooth screens and no clutter. From the conversation, it looks easy to add lights, and heavy current accessories without a major rebuild of the interior trim. Loved the seats; liked the idea of a floor with bungs for washdown, not crazy about the screen, but thought the iDrive controller was a logical solution. Can that bit be a delete option? Does the interior have a solution for CB/ UHF / Cellular radios? My 110 has two radios mounted; how do I replicate that?
  20. I'm going on one too. I was sent a direct e-mail and I booked the same day, 20/08/2021 18:00 in darkest Hertfordshire. The wording suggests its more of a "sit in the passenger seat, hang on while we try to impress you", so I intend to turn up in my scruffy 110 and dare them! As it is the 2B prototypes, I doubt we will see production interiors, but should get some idea of space, basic capability and interior noise level. I'm childishly excited!
  21. Looks like the interior reveal will be 00:01 07/07/2021 BST, announced on the Ineos Grenadier Facebook page.
  22. I got an "Extended test drive" last Friday in a Defender 90 X, (the plush, 6 pot petrol 90 at £80k OTR). Compared to my '89 110CSW it was too much like the Starship Enterprise, but without the crew. It seemed well put together, but for £80k, expectations are very, very high. Sitting down with the manual and the vehicle for a few hours would have reduced the "how the f#~@ do I change something minor" factor, but I adapted to the auto box much faster than I thought I would. I could get comfortable easily and seeing the extremities was quite easy. It's big; even the 90 seems enormous and on narrow Leicestershire lanes it reminded me of a mates' Chevy Blazer, slightly too big for UK roads. They had a basic 90 hardtop in the showroom; this was much more to my taste and wallet, but the sales person warned me that the jump seat was not ideal for an adult on a long journey, (Although they've not seem one in the plastic), so this is not a solution to my transport issues. Fiddling around with the on-line configurator, a basic 90 car with tow pack and air suspension is £52,725 OTR, which seems like a lot of money, but other than Fuji White everywhere, it looks much like the £80k X, as a huge chunk of the additional options are electrical systems, like the posh cruise control, blind spot warnings and head-up display, together with the 6 cylinder petrol engine with 400bhp. I guess I could live with a much less highly specified vehicle and not feel too short-changed. I'll wait and see for the Grenadier; the auto box seems less of a barrier now, (no autos driven in 30 years!) The interior reveal promised in July could be a deal-breaker as the LR was a pleasant environment, even in the basic Hardtop.
  23. Marshall's, my local LR dealer offered me an extended test drive in their demo 90 X petrol. First reaction, compared to my '89 110CSW it is like the USS Enterprise! I have no idea about most of the electronics but it was quiet, smooth and very fast. As a dealer demo it was very expensive too, £80k OTR. They showed me the basic 90 Hardtop too, which was much less blingy, but I gather the third seat is not an option for a real adult and a long drive, as there is no real place for the extra feet. Does anyone have practical experience? The dealership have not seen a three seat one yet.
  24. They had an issue with balancing of prop shafts which the better dealers corrected before delivery. The Cossacks seemed to be slightly better inspected, but the build was always a little approximate!
  25. Further on from the UAZ suggestion, the Telegraph had this today! A modified electric UAZ being evaluated by Natural England. Currently going through type approval............ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/land-rover/mwm-spartan-review-old-school-4x4-just-like-old-land-rover/ https://mwmotors.cz/spartan/
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