Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Gents, My MS is up and running on my desk at the mo, which is good All gauges respond to me twiddling the knobs on my errr... Stimulator. Thanks to the forum, and particularly Fridge for his help so far... My question is this: WHAT is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Haha! Actually my question in this: Why do I have to have my Spark settings set to "not inverted", when all the MSExtra docs say it should be inverted? If I leave the settings as they describe LED D14 stays permanently on and does not flash... Here are the settings I currently have to get it to flash: And here is a gratuitous shot of the gauges doing their stuff Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Update- I have something weird going on. If I power cycle the Squirt the LED always goes back to being solidly lit. The changes have been taken as it shows the "not inverted" setting when i fetch the details from ECU. The only way to get things going again is to change it to inverted and then back to non inverted before burning to ECU. It will then work fine until the next power off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Update 2- Reflashed it and now it seems to be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Update 3- Flashing didn't work... Make the changes to EDIS settings and D14 goes solid, change to non inverted and its ok, power cycle the squirt and it goes solid again although changes to settings are still there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 This is what they should be: Note that the output on the LED is the EDIS SAW signal and so will vary based on what the ECU thinks is going on, I would be hesitant to call it faulty or good based on staring at the LED as it's sending data to the EDIS faster than the human eye can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Thanks Fridge, have made some progress at least- after another reflash it is now taking the changes I make and the LED continues to flash after a power cycle. The only way to actually see it flash though is to tweak RPM to under 300 rpm or so. Anything above and it basically acts like a dimmer switch, the more revs you give it the brighter it gets but the actual flashes are too quick to see. I am still on non inverted though. Weird. Using inverted as you have results in a constantly lit LED with no variation in brightness. Will have to wait and see what happens when I wire it in I guess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Where did the MSQ Come from ? I can supply you with a known good MS1 V3 029v + EDIS8 + PWM Control etc etc inc the settings your worrying about If then there a problem then it won't be the MSQ - let me know Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Nige, that would be great if you wouldn't mind- the current MSQ is just the data that was loaded as part of the firmware upgrade. Will your 029v MSQ work with my 029y4 MS? If not I can always reflash- i'm quite good at it now! Oh yes, and remember my engine is just a ickle 3.5, not a fire breathing tarmac shredder! :lol: Thanks! Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Jamie, Yes, 029y4 may give 2 x error messages, but both are irrelevent, and MSQ will load perfectly PM me your addy, I have a nice 3.5 MSQ I can send, <anorak Mode on> and you can compare cells value differences or, </Anorak mode off> - just load it in and trust me as you have a life Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 PM sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 MSQ sent Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Any chance I can butt in and cadge a copy of that msq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Of course Just PM me your emial addy and the type of engine 3.5/9 4.2 4.6 etc and any mods will send closest MSQ I have then to match Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynic-al Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Pm sent thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 Tried Nige's map but still the same, am on a stag do in bristol atm (getting whipped at pool ) the elbow room.... will try further on Sunday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 Update- I posted my question regarding what LED D14 should look like running in EDIS mode on MSextra.com and got confirmation that it doesnt flicker much at all under normal advance figures. Have some lieu days coming up next week so will try to get it in then and see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 So which part of "It's going faster than your eye can see" in my 1st reply didn't you believe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Am I missing something ? Does your engine start run and stop ? If sp whats the issue, my 1st ECU "Fridgebuilt" didn't have any LEDs in at all as he did it in a rush for me , so they are not exactly essential Or, as I siad am I missing something ? Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 Nige- the MS is currently adorning my desk, all tests thus far have been on the stim and connected to my desktop PC. Megajolt is still in charge of running the ignition on the 90. The MS has not at all improved the power or efficiency of my PC Fridge- I won't doubt you again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 So you could in fact have connected a few wires to the MS and dropped it in place of the MJ to prove it worked you don't need the fuelling bits wired up to make it run your ignition and it's a good way to migrate from MJ+Lucarse to "full" MS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 Fridge, that is actually exactly what I am planning to do. Get it running the ignition (this coming Monday or Tuesday, working the weekend ), then connect the coolant and air temp sensors, then the wideband. Once I have all of those running accurately and I have ensured my wiring is all good (no resets etc) then its fit the EFI and move onto the fuel side of things, and I can say goodbye to my carbs. Hopefully that will be a relatively pain free process- I know my EDIS setup runs reliably and I have my ignition maps sorted etc. Then one day in the distant future LPG injection would be nice. But that really is a loooooong way off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 It lives! Loom was pretty much made up, and all seemed to checkout on the Stim (even if I didn't initially trust the lack of flashing on LED D14 ), I had successfully separated the EDIS and Megajolt wiring which were joined in places earlier in the week, which would allow me to swap between MJ, MS, and straight EDIS if all else failed whenever I wanted. The problem with the 90 being my daily driver is that each step I take has to have some degree of rollback in it if all goes horribly wrong. I was on the late shift on Friday, which meant that I only had to get to Stockley Park (Nr Heathrow) for 10am. I normally leave Farnham at 09:15, so at 09:00 I thought "I've only got to connect the power, earth, PIP and SAW... quarter of an hour is bags of time! " Half an hour later it was roughly connected together with crimp bullet connectors, and away I went! I had previously set correct ignition advance values up for map switching, and with the laptop on and running on LPG I was seeing the values being applied that I had manually copied over from my Megajolt maps. As before, its all hooked up so that the tables change automatically when I turn on LPG. And that really is about it- it drives as well as it did before, and has done 200miles since with the MS box sitting on the passenger seat without the slightest hiccup. Next stage is to get the loom all in and routed tidily, proper connectors on, then its onto getting the wideband etc connected and reading properly... Thanks to Fridge and HFH for their help/advice so far, and for anyone who contributed to the excellent MS thread. Cheers guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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