danebrewer Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Hi all, I'm currently in the middle of rebuilding the swivels on my '85 90", and have gotten the willys over the seals included in the britpart kit. so I'm going to get some OE ones. trouble is, paddock lists the same part no. as Jcraddock, but paddock lists the seal as being "8mm" and craddock lists the seal as being "9mm" is there any appeciable difference between the two? CHeers DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I'm not sure what the 8 or 9mm refers to, I'd go for the CORTECO seals microcat says 9mm, so I believe the 8 or 9mm is the seal depth, doubt it's the seal width as AFAIK the swivel balls are all the same diameter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danebrewer Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 yeah, that's what I thought, the seal atm, stands proud of the face of the swivel housing, I wonder whether with the smaller. ie less tall seal this protrusion wouldn't be as big? Which I guess is needed for the seal to seal effectively against the swivel housing. also, should the seal be a tight fit in the housing or a loose fit. as the one I have in the kit just drops in with quite a bit of slop and I'm not too happy about it tbh... oh yeah those are the ones I was looking at, I have just measured it, the 9mm as you say is the seal depth, so, as you look at the seal from the side, it'll be the width. I'll go and order some then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Barrett Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I've got a Britpart kit and a seal I bought before getting the kit. Want me to get any details / measurements? They are for my '86 Ninety so they'll be the bits you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 should be a tight fit in the housing, the retainer plate IIRC is slightly stepped, so if the seal is not flush it shouldn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Measurement is the thickness of the seal. 9mm or 12mm as far as I know. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danebrewer Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 mine had 2 retaining plates on when I took it off (part no. 571755) would it matter too much if I replaced it with the single plate (part no. FRC4142)? what was/is the reason for the single plate? i guess it spreads the load better, and is the single plate thicker than the double plates? as far as I can tell, the retaining plates are both flat, no step at all. Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated. Thanks, Ian, I've measured the old seal where it crossed the gap at the top of the housing (so wasn't pressed against the seat) and the britpart seal, they're both +/- 9mm, with the BP seal more like 9.5mm sooo... what's the deal with Paddocks listing the OE seal as 8mm? gonna have to ring them up on monday methinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Barrett Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 No problem danebrewer I also took off 2 retaining plates. I couldn't understand why and it seems other people have had 1 or 2 (see my thread on pitted swivel replacement). You are correct, they are both flat, no steps, and both the same size. If you have taken off 2 plates, I'd put 2 back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffR Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 i used two plates as the OE plate warped when tightened up! did consider making my own out of thicker metal, but it was easier to use two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Would be nice to have one laser cut out of 3mm stainless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 looking in microcat it shows axles starting with a 20 to 23L serial number have a washer & the retainer rings, on axles with a 61 to 63L serial it says 2 retainers per side. so seems like the bolts are to long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danebrewer Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share Posted June 25, 2011 stainless yes! mine are terribly pitted, gonna have to get some new ones Hi western, my Land Rover parts book says 1 plate per side for the 20L-23L and 2 per side for 61L-64L. thing is my axle no is 22L but it had the 2 retaining plates! I think I'll just go with the 2 it had on seems simplest... moooreee shipping costs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 look again, there should be a washer listed too. page 492, items 12 & 13 seems the parts book calls it a joint washer when it's actually a shaped gasket FRC4206 to fit between the swivel & oil seal retainer ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danebrewer Posted June 26, 2011 Author Share Posted June 26, 2011 yep, got that, I think I'm just going to get 2 of the original retaining plates to go on there....as well as the gasket Thanks for the help guys, I'll let you know what paddock say about the swivel seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danebrewer Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 well I phoned paddockthis am, I asked whether the 8mm was a mis print and they said it probably was, as the part no is correct, so I rodered it! will see what it looks like when it comes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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