Reiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I have obtained a 300tdi-type clutch pedal complete with master cylinder and pedal box. Unfortunately the spring or springs have gone missing. Can anyone show me a picture of the complete pedal box with springs installed and if possible give me the part number of the spring? Furthermore, what else needs to be changed? Or is it just a matter of bolting the new pedal box into place? would you suggest going for a V8 type slave cylinder? If so, do i need to change the flexible hose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 There is no return spring fitted to the 300TDI clutch pedal box, thats why people fit them to earlier 90/110's as this makes life easier changing gear as the older clutch pedal boxes make the gear change tiresome in slow traffic John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 refer to the 1st parts book page for the pedal assembly here http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=43688&hl=%2Bclutch+%2Bpedal photo of how the spring sits when fitted. from right hand side view from footwell view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 There is no return spring fitted to the 300TDI clutch pedal box, thats why people fit them to earlier 90/110's as this makes life easier changing gear as the older clutch pedal boxes make the gear change tiresome in slow traffic John They have a roll over spring on them. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-TD5-CLUTCH-PEDAL-ASSISTANCE-SPRING-KIT-EDP7510LKIT-/271028498616 Although i think you'll find them cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Guy's, sorry I forgot about the spring in the picture I was thinking about the long spring fitted to earlier pedal boxes and not the 300 tdi or later ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Thanks a lot. That's exactly what i needed. JBS you're right, sorry, i mentioned the word "return spring". It may have misled you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Some more questions please. Is the master cylinder fitted to the older type pedal compatible with this pedal? And what about the bolts holding the pedal box in place. What thread have they got? Are they 1/4"UNF or 8mm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Yes, there's no affect on the master cylinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 same bolts to hold the pedal down as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 thanks for your replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 refer to the 1st parts book page for the pedal assembly here http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=43688&hl=%2Bclutch+%2Bpedal photo of how the spring sits when fitted. from right hand side view from footwell view Another wee pearl of wisdom... I always wondered what those small lugs were on the bottom of the pedal box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 glad those helped, I had it fitted back in '94 with the first of my R380 gearboxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Cheaper springs here - http://www.lrdirect.com/EDP7510L-Double-Spring-Brake-Clutch-Pedal. I just managed to get the entire pedal box assembly for £37 Landrover original part! Well worth it seeing as the spring is £7-£10. The pedal pivot/spindle/pin on mine had seized. Figured it was probably more of a mission and expense to replace the pin, trunnion and bushes when I could just take the whole thing on and off. Replaced the master and slave cyclinder while I was at it. It's a whole new experience. I am beginning to think that the pedal had began stiffening before I purchased her so I never had the pleasure of driving a 300tdi with a normal clutch (Prior to buying this the only land rovers I had ever driven were Series vehicles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Cheaper springs here - http://www.lrdirect.com/EDP7510L-Double-Spring-Brake-Clutch-Pedal. I just managed to get the entire pedal box assembly for £37 Landrover original part! Well worth it seeing as the spring is £7-£10. The pedal pivot/spindle/pin on mine had seized. Figured it was probably more of a mission and expense to replace the pin, trunnion and bushes when I could just take the whole thing on and off. Replaced the master and slave cyclinder while I was at it. It's a whole new experience. I am beginning to think that the pedal had began stiffening before I purchased her so I never had the pleasure of driving a 300tdi with a normal clutch (Prior to buying this the only land rovers I had ever driven were Series vehicles). now isnt the time to say the pedal i got from billing last year cost a 10er then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastycrimper Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 now isnt the time to say the pedal i got from billing last year cost a 10er then? Ha ha probably not. DO you mean the pedal only or the whole box assembly (as in Part No ANR5311)? Either way I thought £37 quid for the whole assembly with the green oval on the box would have offfended my wallet more but the a tenner suggests I rshould make it to Billing this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ha ha probably not. DO you mean the pedal only or the whole box assembly (as in Part No ANR5311)? Either way I thought £37 quid for the whole assembly with the green oval on the box would have offfended my wallet more but the a tenner suggests I rshould make it to Billing this year! the whole lot, master cylinder as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ha ha probably not. DO you mean the pedal only or the whole box assembly (as in Part No ANR5311)? Either way I thought £37 quid for the whole assembly with the green oval on the box would have offfended my wallet more but the a tenner suggests I rshould make it to Billing this year Mine was AMR3400 IIRC paid £28 plus vat for it back in Apr '95. much easier to drive with & less stressful on the left leg when in slow moving traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Spring arrived and fitted to nicely painted pedal box. Just need to find a spare hour to transfer the lot onto the vehicle. next question.... bleeding. how on earth do you bleed the clutch with this type of pedal fitted? I don't think that the pedal will return to the original position by just lifting my foot off it. Spring's too strong. Do i need to pull the pedal up from the floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Hmmm, my spring has arrived... now is it possible to fit it in situ???... I had a wee go this morning and nearly did myself a mischief... Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 i think it is possible albeit a little bit fiddly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan bomber Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Spring arrived and fitted to nicely painted pedal box. Just need to find a spare hour to transfer the lot onto the vehicle. next question.... bleeding. how on earth do you bleed the clutch with this type of pedal fitted? I don't think that the pedal will return to the original position by just lifting my foot off it. Spring's too strong. Do i need to pull the pedal up from the floor? Borrow a friend for a hour and you can change the pedal without removing the master cylinder with it, theres a bloody arkward bolt but its doable. Thats how i swapped mine over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Spring arrived and fitted to nicely painted pedal box. Just need to find a spare hour to transfer the lot onto the vehicle. next question.... bleeding. how on earth do you bleed the clutch with this type of pedal fitted? I don't think that the pedal will return to the original position by just lifting my foot off it. Spring's too strong. Do i need to pull the pedal up from the floor? I just lift the pedal up once the bleed screw on the slave is closed. my bleed tube has a oneway valve in it to prevent air being sucked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i think it is possible albeit a little bit fiddly. Fiddly is an understatment, the spring needs compressing and its quite a strong one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve King Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Fiddly is an understatment, the spring needs compressing and its quite a strong one... Well, I tried and failed to fit the spring in-situ - it is almost possible but not quite and after the 5th attempt I gave up! I tried to compress the spring with nylon ratchet ties and also lengths of solder, but neither was up to the job. the problem is that as you release tension you have got to get the end of the spring securely located in the hole on the pedal and that just did not seem to happen! In the end I decided to take the pedal out and to be honest it is not that hard a job, but there probably is a way of replacing the spring without removing the pedal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiny Posted February 24, 2013 Author Share Posted February 24, 2013 Fitted the pedal. What a revelation. I'm kicking myself for not doing it earlier. I've owned my 90 for almost 10 years and was pretty happy with the clutch pedal the way it was. However, for the past year I've been feeling a mild discomfort in my hip which got worse whenever I drove the 90 for long periods or got stuck in traffic so I boiled it down to the hard clutch pedal. Drove it for 2 hours yesterday with no pain whatsoever. It's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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