Paul Humphreys
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The rims in question are for off road use only don't forget.... and not technically approved for road use. AFAIK they are not DOT, TUV etc etc tested, so I doubt VOSA would be that interested in a rim that technically shouldn't be used on the road....
Ian
It dose not say on the wheel makers site "Not for road use". Its a matter of safety.
I was told by the maker that the wheels are rated at 750 kgs. So as a ex-army 110 is rated as 3050kgs I think they are not rated for then. But as mine is not an ex-army then it comes under the makers rating.
Paul
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Has someone emailed and asked them? If not then I will.
Chris
I have just sent an email to VOSA, but if you know someone there then please go ahead and ask.
Paul
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Possibly I should start worrying then... It did that on saturday, only for a couple of turns, and that was the first time I had noticed it and it hasn't dome it since.
I wish I hadn't started this trian of thought now...
Mark
If it dose run on, put it in 5th, with the hand brake on & foot on the foot brake, and let the clutch out quick and stall it. But it sounds like a rebuild. I have have it hallen on a diesel car, not nice, but you know the signs now.
Paul
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From another forum
Hi PaulIf you are scrapping the wheels & you really want to find out the cause of the failure, remove the defective section (& a couple of complete sections) & I'll do an assessment of the weld for you if you like (under the microscope), thats what I do (amongst other things)
Well if I dont weld them up at lease I can find what has caused them to crack.
Paul
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There's no oily patch on the drive...
It looks like the exxon-valdez parked in my car port where the series sits...
Mark (getting slightly more paranoid)
Could be the oil is only getting pass the rings when its hot/under load? The time to worry is when you turn it off and it still runs
Paul
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Have you looked for oil in the water? But could be rebuild time.
Paul
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I'll try and do it tomorrow. If Discovery steels are +30 offset they are -10, if the Disco steels are -30 they are +10, I can't remember which way round it is now.
Ok thanks.
Paul
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the ones on my series 1 have been on there since at least 1987 and they were not new. but then they are not special expensive ones
What gets me most is as I have said. Its on the same spoke on the wheels. Looking from the inside if the wheel with the valve at the top. Its the spoke to the right of the valve. So why the same spoke on both wheels?
Paul
PS If anyone wants to see the cracks send me a PM.
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Paul, these rims usually have a good reputation and seem to servive well when treated harshly so it does seem strange. The only thing I can think is that they've suffered a very hard life, possibly racing. I'd say the new ones should be fine....
Thats my only concern. Do I want to rist a lot more £££££ on new ones for them to do the same again? Or do I go for Wolf rims and a less offset. But a long lasting wheel.
Paul
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Les, change the title under your avatar quick
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I have some new, boxed white eight spokes in -10 offset (from memory) if that helps. They sit the tyres 40mm further out than standard.
I got a load of them made special order for my RR but don't use it so much now.
Can you measure from the rim face to the centre face and tell me what it is? The ones I have are 110mm from rim to wheel centre.
Paul
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Is it worth seeing, after having them re-welded and minus tyres /lead weights etc if they are balanced or if theres an imbalance that could lead to this?
Thats what I was thinking. But I will weld them and see. They take a lot to balance anyway as they are fitted with Bronco Dirt Devils. With a bit of luck when I have ground out the weld and rewelded it it should be about the same.
Paul
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why not just get them re-welded?
then perhaps you can have all the joints done at once on all the wheels- sure it wouldn't cost too much.
they might be interested in part paying for that instead of supplying a set at trade!
I will weld them up. Not a problem as I can do them. But I just wanted to know how long people would expect them to last.
Paul
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Well, I'm going to stick my hand up and say Paul swapped the wheels with me !, I have nothing to hide so I don't mind owning up
I wanted zero offset so I could fit them on the Discovery and Paul wanted greater for his 110, it was mentioned in passing when I picked up the bumper from his place,
These were rolled edge ones (newer), , I bought them secondhand and that was around 2 years ago and the ones I got from Paul lipped (older) IIRC,
Now Paul may not be, well isn't pointing the finger....but may be having regrets, but I swapped them in good faith as far as I knew they were fine, a bit...well quite rusty on the surface and needed painting, and they hadn't been on my truck since the Beardy one biatched for me,and sat in the Garage for months, as the Hybid has my other set on with Simex's and I got fed up of swapping them around as it was mainly driven to events anyway,
if you look on my site they were on the truck for a fair while with no problems, so why are they now causing problems......
So I'd publically like to say Sorry to Paul, and say if I knew there was a problem with them I would'nt have exchanged and I can only say...sorry for all the hassle your having...
I'd like to think I'm an honest chap and would never do anyone over for a quick buck.........
he say's opening himself up for abuse...
I am not pointing the finger at you Les. I was not going to say I had them off of you, I have no regets swapping them at all. They are what I wanted.
Just trying to work out if they should be good for a few more years thats all. I think they might not be up to a 110s weight. For some thing is designed for a hard life and for racing. For them both to crack in the same place on the same spoke is a bit bad. I have spoken to the man who made the bumper you had off of me and he said its not the frist time he knowed them to crack.
Theres no need to say sorry, its not your fault.
Paul
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It's not the cheapo 8 spoke, it's a more expensive bling type wheel.
As per my post on LRA, you have reason to be huffed off, but no real recourse. It's an aftermarket wheel of unique design and the manufacturer can claim a lifespan. You might get new wheels free if you were to take the matter up with the Advertising Standards Council or other Consumer Protection authority as I have seen no disclaimer on lifespan in advertising etc., but that does not mean your views would be upheld in either authority, and unless the lifespan being claimed is less than five years, it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. In any event, all litigation does is make things more expensive and enrich lawyers - neither of which are desirable....
Its not work fighting it, but its a shame. They have offered me a new set at trade price, but are they going to crack as well?
Paul
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Paul, if this is cheapo 8 spokes then as fridge says I'm not sure many of here would be too worried but nonetheless a pic to tell us where to look for early signs of failure on ours might be nice?
Not 8 spokes, but 5 spokes. The only way I knew that were cracked was a flat tyre.
Paul
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I don't think there would be a life on a wheel rim, although I suppose hard use would eventually make them fail. I would expect a rim designed to be used on a Land Rover would be equal to the task though - knowing how they get used. Even on a Farm they would have the tough life equivalent to green lane use.
Is the weld ok? is it the weld that has cracked or where the weld joins the steel of the rim (normal place for cracks). I would expect them to crack in the event of an accident or similar situation, but greenlaning they should be able to handle.
Les.
Its the HAZ (Heat Affcted Zone) that has craked. Both times its been the front wheel. The drivers side now the other side.
Paul
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What has gotten me is the fact that the welding has cracked in the same place on both wheels. I done mean almost the same place, but the same place.
Paul
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Hmmm, guessing they're not OE LR wheels, so that leaves us with the normal Modulars / 8-Spokes / Matt Lee and I can't imagine anyone being heartbroken over a dead 8-spoke or modular given the price of new ones...
Ahem.
Out of interest what did you do to break them?
Green Laning. Thats all I do in the 110.
Paul
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I am asking as I have broken 2 wheels in the last 4 weeks. Well I have not broken them as such, just the welding has cracked, same place on both wheels. I was told by the maker "we are afraid that it looks like the whole set has come to the end of its life"
So what would most people say the life of a wheel is?
Paul
PS I am not going to say what make of wheel it is or how long they say the life span is.
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Yep.
Gwyn told me I might not need them when I lifted mine, and he was right. Stearing is fine without them.
Paul
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Great, if Shire are there, I can pay my subs...
Good job I'm working or it would be an expensive weekend
Yes you can join online, paying with Paypal. But Yes you can join at the show. I will either be on the CRAG stand or the Muddy Millers club stand.
Paul
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Is there any quickfists left on 'ere for sale...?
I got a shovel boucing around and off the dog guard when it gets lumpy :-(
Ta
All gone sorry.
Paul
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CRAG will be at the Land Rover World Show at Eastnor Castle on the 10th and 11th June. This will be CRAGs first ever time doing a show and it should be a good one. As most people will know the LRW show is one of the bigger shows of the year. Everyone is welcome to come along say Hi ask questions and maybe sign up for a membership.
The show stand will be manned all weekend to answer the question the best we can. There will also be T-shirts and stickers to buy. There will also be vehicles on the stand for people to have a look at. Not sure if we can get the Toyotas on the stand as well, we will see.
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Well I have someone who is, he has said he will look at the welds if I cut the wheel and sent the bits to him.
Paul