110 200tdi won’t start

[marieholm]

All,

 

last night I tried the 110 but it would not start.

It is a 200tdi defender engine (former 2,5 na) 

So the symptoms:

- battery is fairly New 100 Ah. 

-  all electrics work ( lights etc.) 

- If i turn the key the glow light, battery light and oil light light up as normal

- I hear a clicking sound from around the fusebox (start relais?) 

- nothing else.....  the starter does nothing.

I searched the forum but I cant figure out what to do/check. How do I check the starter. I can’t really see any wires going to it. 

 

Does anybodu gave a step by step check (with pictures) so I can find out what is wrong.

Thanks!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[monkie]

There are a few basic things you can check to start with:

(1) Despite being nearly new, the battery could have insufficient charge for a number of reasons. It is possible for a battery to have just enough power to put your lights on but not enough to turn the engine over. Get the battery charged and try again. If this doesn't work, try step 2.

(2) Loose wires/poor earth to the starter motor. Check the security of the wires from the battery to the starter motor including the earth lead. If they proove to be fine, connect a jump lead from the negative terminal of the battery to the engine block then try and start it.

[western]

check the thin white/red trace wire is connected to the starter motor soleniod, the wiring is hard to see/access with the exhaust downpipe fitted.

you should have connections like these [from my 200tdi engined 110] you can ignore the thicker cable on left ofthe rubber boot

[dailysleaze]

The relay clicking sound is commonly a dead battery. As above give it a charge, or try jump starting, to rule that out

[marieholm]

Again thanks for the great tips. 

 

The battery is full and checked (replaced it with another one) but got the same result. only clicking. 

Will try checking the wires this weekend. Do they go from the ignition switch straight to the starter or are the coming from somewhere else? 

Are there places where they are most likely to break/come loose? 

Thanks again. 

 

[western]

there is a start relay behind fuse box metal panel, 

but I suspect it's a poor or disconnected white/red at the starter solenoid.

[monkie]

The main wires to check at the starter motor are the ones shown in Western's picture above. These are a sod to get at as they sit under the engine manifolds. For safety, disconnect the negative terminal from the battery first then check the security of the white/red wire with a spade terminal (as Western describes), this is the wire from the starter relay.

Then check the main positive feed to the starter motor from the battery where it connects to the main bus on the starter solenoid (shown in Western's picture with the thick red feed from the battery insulated with a rubber boot). This also has brown wires taking the positive feed to the other circuits on the same connection. All these have ring terminals held inplace with a 13mm [I think] nut.

Finally check the security of the clamp on the positive terminal on the battery and the point where the negative terminal connects to the engine/gearbox before clamping the negative wire back on the negative terminal of the battery.

You can also take a jump lead from the negative terminal of the battery and clip it as close to the starter motor mounts as possible (without coming in contact with the positive feed wire!). This will by pass any poor earth conection to the starter motor.

[marieholm]

So checken the wires.

- red/white: has power at the terminal

- + has power at the starter

- terminals are clean.

- knuckels are shot because of that sodding exhaust. What a plain to get loose..

Any other ideas?

cheers

[monkie]

Before pointing the finger at a faulty starter motor have you bridged the earth with a jump lead?

[marieholm]

Monkie,

yes, from the batterie to the earth point on the starter. Still nothing I’m afraid. 

Anything else I can try? 

 

 

[western]

Main earth from battery to main gearbox/transfer box joint & from left engine mount chassis part to long bolt under alternator. 

[marieholm]

Thanks Western, 

Will check those as well. 

I would like to order a starter motor to be sure. (would like to drive it again asap)  

Would all 200tdi starters fit or did they change them during the production of the 200tdi. I'm thinking about the Bearmach one. https://www.lrdirect.com/ERR5009-Starter-Motor-2Tdi-Late-3Tdi-New/

(my engine code is 11L35691A)

Thank again. 

[monkie]

When you turn the key, what does happen (nothing or clicking noise)?

I think you have now confirmed other sources of trouble:

• loose connections at terminals of earths, battery and starter motor
• Poor state of charge in battery
• Poor earth point by connecting the negative battery terminal to engine block with jump lead
• ignition switch and starter relay working by confirming 12v at white/red tracer wire

I think now the blame can rest at the starter motor. Yes, that starter motor in the link you provide should fit your 200 Tdi as far as I am aware.

[western]

1 hour ago, marieholm said:

Thanks Western, 

Will check those as well. 

I would like to order a starter motor to be sure. (would like to drive it again asap)  

Would all 200tdi starters fit or did they change them during the production of the 200tdi. I'm thinking about the Bearmach one. https://www.lrdirect.com/ERR5009-Starter-Motor-2Tdi-Late-3Tdi-New/

(my engine code is 11L35691A)

Thank again. 

Same unit on all pre 300tdi diesel engines. Or prc5109 also fits on earlier 200tdi.

[marieholm]

Just received the new starter motor. Hope I can fit it this weekend and start using the landy again. 

Thanks again for the help!

[marieholm]

All,

It works!!! 

Fitted the new starter and it fired up perfectly. 

Thanks for all the advice. With the help of this forum it was an easy job. (well besides the horrible location of the starter)

Cheers,

 

[western]

Excellent news, now go drive it 

[monkie]

Glad it's sorted. It's not an easy job to get at with the engine in situ, I've struggled for ages trying to get that M10 nut off and on the starter motor terminal.