s2hotdog Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Right I'm about to fit a H14 pto winch on to the front of my 90 I have designed and have/had fabricated a purpose made bumper and drilled a hole through the front cross member for the drive shaft to pass through to keep the bumper as high and as far back as possible In all its around 50 odd kg I would think - so I'm thinking that I need to upgrade springs etc I have been reading Steve G's interesting and informative post here http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopi...opid=52057& Although I don't want to use the softer and lower rated RR springs Another complication is that I have fairly new Koni rought track shocks on the back axle that I want to keep So I am thinking getting the brit partsprings DA4202 and 4203 they appear to lift by 40mm I am aware that these are not as good as OME - but they are out of my price range for my toy that sits in my garage for most of the time I'm not that keen on any futher lift than this mainly due to COG and prop shaft problems etc My questions are Should I buy the above springs 1. Will I be able to use the koni shocks using the standard shock mounting? 1.1 Use the shocks if I bolt on a bracket to lower the top shock fixing 2. I have been impressed with the koni and thinking of a pair for the front axle 2.1 Could these be used on the front axle ? 2.2 I'm going to replace the front turrets so will I need - 1" replacement turrets for these shocks I've been racking my brain this weekend and I hav'nt been abe to find much info on the koni - so anybody know much about them? althoug I'm going to have a chat with the supplier tomorrow BTW this is only my toy I use it for RTV's and may move on to soft challange events but not much more than that at the moment. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Steve FWIW I have noted some comments re your post in the test you put................ Nige Right I'm about to fit a H14 pto winch on to the front of my 90 Top man, obviously you couldn't stretch the budget to a proper winch - an electric one I have designed and have/had fabricated a purpose made bumper and drilled a hole through the front cross member for the drive shaft to pass through to keep the bumper as high and as far back as possible In all its around 50 odd kg I would think - so I'm thinking that I need to upgrade springs etc Most likely, can you advise what the colours are on the spring now, and the height at a convenitn point before fitting an after fitting ? - ie how much it drops ? I have been reading Steve G's interesting and informative post here http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopi...opid=52057& Although I don't want to use the softer and lower rated RR springs See above, its what you have know as a starting point thats key.................... Another complication is that I have fairly new Koni rought track shocks on the back axle that I want to keep OK So I am thinking getting the brit partsprings DA4202 and 4203 they appear to lift by 40mm I am aware that these are not as good as OME - but they are out of my price range for my toy that sits in my garage for most of the time I'm not that keen on any futher lift than this mainly due to COG and prop shaft problems etc My questions are Should I buy the above springs No, they are C**P IMHO and a few quid more will get you the RIGHT spings for your 90 vs a cheap as chips one size fits all S**TPart variable quality springs 1. Will I be able to use the koni shocks using the standard shock mounting? Unsure, depends on the lift etc 1.1 Use the shocks if I bolt on a bracket to lower the top shock fixing EH ? 2. I have been impressed with the koni and thinking of a pair for the front axle They are good 2.1 Could these be used on the front axle ? EH ? are these loop pin or pin pin ? 2.2 I'm going to replace the front turrets so will I need - 1" replacement turrets for these shocks Depends on what you fit I've been racking my brain this weekend and I hav'nt been abe to find much info on the koni - so anybody know much about them? althoug I'm going to have a chat with the supplier tomorrow BTW this is only my toy I use it for RTV's and may move on to soft challange events but not much more than that at the moment. Post up the info before you rush and buy anything Nige Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Dont bother paying £50 for those awfull britpart yellow springs when you can get a Genuine Parts spring that is the same rate and length for £12 each, I'll dig out the part number if you're interested Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Nige Thanks for the reply Will have a look at the front springs - think they are rusted though and paint marks have gone assumed they are standard van type. Will measure before and after and post hopefully later this week. Britpart springs are s**t - OK Lewis I have been looking here http://members.shaw.ca/jbarge/springinfo.html If you have any further info I'd be interested Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I had OME 764's on mine with no trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 26, 2007 Author Share Posted March 26, 2007 Nige and everybody else Just to clarify after reading my and your post again I want to reuse my existing rear koni's with dropped rear shock top mounts I will need to replace the front axle shocks and thinking of buying a set of new Koni's Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 I'm interested to see what spring Lewis suggests for the rear of your 90 from the stock LR range. When I looked there wasn't an OME equivalent from the LR range. By the way, I assume that if you buy one of these £12 springs you'll want to make sure that it's genuine and not a pattern part. When I inherited the hybrid it had britpart springs on and they were fine. I'm running britpart springs front and rear on the 90 and again no problems so far. Obviously they are not all s**t or maybe they self destruct after a certain period of time. I was buying a large amount of parts at the time for the 90 and spending £100 on 4 springs vs £240+ for a set of OME springs also made me think about and I opted for cheaper Britpart. I may regret this over time, but for now I'll keep the Britpart springs and fit oME if I have a problem. In response to your shock questions... 1. Will I be able to use the koni shocks using the standard shock mounting? Yes, but your travel in the shock will be reduced by the amount of lift in your new springs. 1.1 Use the shocks if I bolt on a bracket to lower the top shock fixing Yes you can do this. Lowered shock mounts were designed for this. Downside to using them is that you will have less upward travel and need to make sure that your shocks do not 'top out' on upward travel as this will knacker them over time. These mounts will cost you over £100, so it may be a better solution to fit 4 new +2" shocks and sell your existing rear koni's 2. I have been impressed with the koni and thinking of a pair for the front axle 2.1 Could these be used on the front axle ? Yes, they do a pin pin version and even the wider raid versions fit inside the coil springs ok. 2.2 I'm going to replace the front turrets so will I need - 1" replacement turrets for these shocks See answer to 1.1 for lowered shock mounts. Are you having to replace turret as stock is rusted? Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 i'm running OME on my truck cab and they are superb (a d4x4 set) mytd5 runs rear Britpart blue HD springs, been on there about 2yrs now and no sag and perform well in my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 I'm interested to see what spring Lewis suggests for the rear of your 90 from the stock LR range. When I looked there wasn't an OME equivalent from the LR range.Cheers Steve Sorry, didnt make it clear - the genuine parts ones that are almost exactly the same as the Britpart "lift" springs are fronts, i.e. they are the same as the britpart fronts. IIRC they are red/blue, NRC9448, 15.31 inches, 225lbs/inch Britpart are the same length and 230lbs/inch I think, either way the above gen parts springs in combination with Britpart crappy rear lift springs on a 90 result in the same height all round Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 Nige and any others interested Fitted winch and bumper last night - tight fit but on and bolted in position Weigh it prior to fitting - a wapping 69kg without plasma or oil so another couple of kg to add i would of thought Unfortunatly the existing springs have no markings as fairly elderly The front has dropped 19 mm 3/4" in old money So over to you Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 69Kg thats heavy for a winch (or i suppose would be a very heavy electrical winch) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 69Kg thats heavy for a winch I assume that's for the winch and bumper. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 I assume that's for the winch and bumper.Steve Yes thats the winch and bumper bolted on to truck Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 Any body got any further advice? Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Std 90 are NRC9449 & 9448 or 9463 & 9462 (pretty similar spec) These are around 15 inch and around 225 lbs OME would be a good route (D4x4) Higher poundages are avaiable tad longer (OME781 290 16.7inch) Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2hotdog Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks Nige Will talk to D4x4 Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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