Dunc Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 This whole SVA things really does seem to be a minefield. I think that when i build mine i'll drive it to the SVA station on the plates from the Rangey and drive it home on them too if it doesn't pass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 If only one of the mags would go for an interview with someone at VOSA and sort out once and for all the rules for mods/hybrids/builds etc., but of course that would be far too much like a technical piece Time was I'd expect TOR to take up the reins but they seem to be slowly giving up and going the way of LRO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandyManLuke Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 If only one of the mags would go for an interview with someone at VOSA and sort out once and for all the rules for mods/hybrids/builds etc., but of course that would be far too much like a technical piece Also, I'm not sure i'd trust them on a legal matter such as an SVA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastcard Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 If only one of the mags would go for an interview with someone at VOSA and sort out once and for all the rules for mods/hybrids/builds etc., but of course that would be far too much like a technical piece Time was I'd expect TOR to take up the reins but they seem to be slowly giving up and going the way of LRO. After a recent issue of LRO with their "alternative A1" route. 4 pages of some prat finding locked gates unpassable routes and other nonsense (what a load of tosh), I wouldn't trust them to find their father let alone advise on the SVA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 One route to go down is to go with a 'Vehivle Inspection" by your local vosa office. They can then decree if your modifications require you to have an SVA. I believe miketomcat went down that route with his disco based tomcat. I don't know the details explicitly, but he might be worth a pm... Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 I can advise that i have just done this with my Hybrid, see Another shires 100" Kingcab, in members vehicles. I spoke to miketomcat, from my club, and visited the local DVLA office yesterday for the inspection, and was NOT referred for an SVA, now await the adjusted V5. I was not required to do SVA, because it was one donor vehicle, original engine, box, axles, suspension and an Uncut chassis. Regards the welded bulkhead outriggers, they were next to the inspectors head as he searched for the chassis number under the front wing, never even commented on it. However, my chassis was full length, kept the rear overhang, they may look at it differently if it was bobbed, but i did not ask, as i was not wanting to get into a can of worms. However, they may not worry other than checking the wheelbase, as miketomcats and dlander(who also did the same as me) have 'reduced' rear overhangs. It may just have been a sensible inspector at Pompey test station. I can only comment on what i experienced, and it may be different elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted May 30, 2007 Author Share Posted May 30, 2007 Right, mini-update for you. After 2 days of welding the Rangey has another year's MOT. OE bulkhead lives in our shed currently ready for the project. I've also got some lights and switchgear and a roof panel 'in storage' at my mates farm. Wife banned me from buying a complete 110 as a donor, so collecting panels. Let you know as soon as i get started and will also start chasing you for info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 Another update for you... A very early Series 2 109 may be coming to live with us. It's pretty much nailed in the chassis, engine and gearbox department but i think it may form a glorious union with my Rangey. Now, i know some of you are going to yell at me, but here's my plan; 1/ Notify DVLA of 109 engine change to have logbook with V8 on. 2/ Rebuild 109 body onto Rangey chassis, less a few inches to make 100" 3/ Insure on specialist policy so insurers know about coils, v8, galv chassis etc so cover not compromised 4/ Drive tax exempt hybrid Now as far as i can see, the insurers are happy because they know all the mods so there's no risk of me having a bump and not being covered and that's the important thing because it affects other people not just me. DVLA will know about the engine change so i'm all tickty boo with them as cc is the only bit they write down at the MOT, not whether you've got coils or leaves. I know if you go through the whole 'point scoring' thing then it wouldn't qualify, but i'm justifying my actions on the basis that the remanufactured Rangey chassis is 'new' and therefore simply a replacement chassis for the 109, disc brakes (and the associated axles) have been exchanged on grounds of safety (not like theyr'e portals or something, how many people do you know with Rangey diffs in Series axles for better cruising?) and the engine and gearbox wouldn't affect the tax exempt status because you only have to hit 8 points. Effectively, i could put all my rangey bits in the series axle casings and then convert them to coils thus maintaining those points on the score, so i have absolutely no issues with my conscience using my rangey casings. The suspension medium doesn't count on the scoring system, so what's the difference? I appreciate i'm applying my viewpoint to each of the regs, but it's all a bit daft anyway. If you replace your Series axles with one from another Series it's not original and would lose points according to DVLA. Load of old guff. Galv chassis also loses you points, as my mate has found with his SWB S2. I'll let you know how i get on. Oh, and save your fingers if you want to hurl abuse because i'm not going to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I refer you back to my post no 19 Re: your replacment chassis bears no resemblance what so ever from the original Effectively, i could put all my rangey bits in the series axle casings and then convert them to coils = Modified no points I appreciate i'm applying my viewpoint to each of the regs, but it's all a bit daft anyway. If you replace your Series axles with one from another Series it's not original But is a direct like for like replacement so you maintain the points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 Yes, i totally appreciate where you're coming from Lesmond. My devils advocate head is telling me that all the axle casing were the same, which is why the diffs and shafts are interchangeable. By virtue of that i'm justifying the swap. I'd like a tax exempt 109 series 3, that way i could justify the gearbox because it's constant 4wd on the Stage 1, which was a Series 3. Tenuous? Yes! Thing is (and i'm really not appertaining to dishonesty) who knows what axles i've got? If my insurers do, and they're only ones who'll want to see it if i have a bump, then there's no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted June 25, 2007 Author Share Posted June 25, 2007 Effectively, i could put all my rangey bits in the series axle casings and then convert them to coils= Modified no points How about; Series axles, Rangey diffs inside and converted to discs with bolt on Chris Perfect stuff, spring plate mounting (fabbed to same shape as leaf but with coil cup) bolted on using original U clamps. That way i've not modded the actual axle at all. According to DVLA it's all as was. I quite like that idea actually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Well ihave my correctly changed V5 for my hybrid now, courtesy of DVLA, registered as a Land Rover Pickup, in green. And that was with NO SVA, just an inspection at Pompey. So, from my experience, it is possible to build a hybrid and not do SVA. I geuss its down to interpretation as has been pointed out already. Just a thought for your original plans. As the DVLA man said, he was happier to see a 109 body tub modified to fit a 100" rather than a RR modified to a 88" body. The cut n shut was his concern. Just another spanner in the works, to confuse things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted June 26, 2007 Author Share Posted June 26, 2007 Just another spanner in the works, to confuse things. Yeah, thanks for that mate! In all seriousness, i really do think that the rules are vague (and daft) enough to be able to put my fingers in my ears and feel justified claiming tax exempt status on a hybrid. Externally, apart from wheelarch extensions and grill, it will be a Series 2 109 but just a bit shorter. I can see the point of the DVLA guy not liking cut & shut chassis. I wouldn't have one myself, although that's more psychological than poor engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted July 12, 2007 Author Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hi everyone, Just to update you with the most recent tribulations; Got beaten to the tax-exempt S2 so that's out of the window. Also got stuffed by the insurers recently on our other car, so that's been sold. Rangey has to now do everything - daily driver, off roader, toy, building material carrier etc etc... Priced up all the parts from Paddoks again and it looks like we're going to try and rebuild it standard because it should only take a few days or a week if i sleep with the welder! Also, the cost is very much less. The wife has decided that she'd rather me keep the Rangey as my baby and she'll have a Lightweight for running around in... I'll no doubt bore you again with the next changes to our plans as and when. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGUE TROOPER Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Didn't quite keep the air con but have kept the ABS!! Did you use 90/110 ABS Block or RRC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I used the RRC, basically everything on the truck where possible was RRC as thats what the donor was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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