Dunc Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hi everyone, Just 'testing the water' a bit... Had a look in the tech archive, but couldn't see what i wanted so it's posted in here! My RR increasingly needs body patches; floor, sills, 'C' pillar etc etc and i'm all too aware that this will reach the point where i can't keep up with it. I like the idea of building a hybrid from it because the chassis is good, the axles have been replaced and the engine/gearbox is good. I reckon i've got a couple of MOT's left in it before i can't keep up with the welding, which is time i can use to amass body panels and parts for plonking a Defender type body on my Rangey chassis. The other thing that makes me hesitate is that for what it costs i could probably get a 110. I sold my 200Tdi for £3850 last year. I bought Tony Parrots book on hybrids and it wasn't much use. Mark Evans building his 4x4 is regularly on my dvd player but you can't base chopping up your daily driver on a tv programme! I know a lot of the bits i'd need, but i'm not sure about alignment of bulkhead and rear crossmember particularly. I guess rear bulkhead and where the wheelarch go would be a pain too. Read Les Brock's thread on his 88" build and SVA test. I'd rather keep my original plate and ID. Is it not possible with a Hybrid? After all, i'm only changing the body panels effectively, chassis and all mechanicals will be the same. Any help gratefully received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Corrode_Finger's 100" is a good example of how to build a hybrid form a RR with as little hacking about as possible, I think he's even kept the ABS and air-con look in the member's vehicles section. Buying a 110 with a rusty chassis but sound body is a good way to get the maximum donor components, it's not the big bits that are the trouble but fiddly little brackets, mounts and fixings that all add up. Just choose a different colour when you paint it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 24, 2007 Author Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear God, i see what you mean about the colour! Looks fantastic though in fairness. Impressive timescale too. I've been checking out some panels and found; New O.E. bulkhead - £184 110 rear tub - £150 110 hard top - £50 Seat box - £100 On the face of it, that's pretty cheap. Buying a 110 with knackered chassis is a good plan though. Going to search the net a bit tonight to have a looksee at prices. Oh, by the way, i reckon i'd go for Tangiers Orange on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgasmic Farmer Posted April 24, 2007 Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dave whatshisname did a great photo build on here a couple of seasons ago. I will see if I still have the link here it is http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=1351&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share Posted April 25, 2007 Dave whatshisname That'll be "Lang" then. That one is almost exactly what i'm going to build. I'd fortgotten about the build thread on it, but on reading through i thought it looked familiar and once i spotted my posts i realised why... Glad to see the Rangey seats fit. Mine are sooooo comfy. Checked out the more pics version on ORRP too. Well, rude not to register whilst i was there... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted April 25, 2007 Share Posted April 25, 2007 Corrode_Finger's 100" is a good example of how to build a hybrid form a RR with as little hacking about as possible, I think he's even kept the ABS and air-con look in the member's vehicles section.Just choose a different colour when you paint it Didn't quite keep the air con but have kept the ABS!! Damn right choose another colour, i got that paint cos it had never been sold before by the paint factor!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeppimp Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Damn right choose another colour, i got that paint cos it had never been sold before by the paint factor!! that and it catered to your boy racer urges - can pretend your driving round in a blinged up saxo with drainpipe exhaust now, just needs a hoofing great wing on the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 that and it catered to your boy racer urges - can pretend your driving round in a blinged up saxo with drainpipe exhaust now, just needs a hoofing great wing on the back Boy racer urges??? I have not tinted the windows or fitted the silly stereo yet? As for the exhaust, thats a refined stainless item that purrs like a kitten!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 Boy racer urges??? I have not tinted the windows or fitted the silly stereo yet? As for the exhaust, thats a refined stainless item that purrs like a kitten!! That's enough to head me off into dreamland; Paint, V8, 100", crushing Novas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 That's enough to head me off into dreamland;Paint, V8, 100", crushing Novas... Not that i bully other road users but it has got a lot of respect out on the road from boyracers! Not sure if thats the subdued colour or the large box section front bumper! If you are thinking about it, decide exactely what you want before starting and go for it. I wanted(read needed) the kingcab as i am built for comfort, not speed, also i wanted the full chassis length to make the truck useable. I think that it has turned out quite well, it looks well proportioned in the flesh. And the lift out roof panel was the only deviation from the original idea, kinda evolved as a interesting solution to filling the extended roof. If you want any other info, feel free to pm. Cant promise the answers but will try to help. Also, if it gets sorted by the club, it will hopefully be at Eastnor on the Shires stand, which is close to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share Posted April 26, 2007 If you want any other info, feel free to pm. Cant promise the answers but will try to help.Also, if it gets sorted by the club, it will hopefully be at Eastnor on the Shires stand, which is close to you! Thanks Dude, much obliged. I've been offered a complete 110 which would be good for donor parts. I want a full roof so i can get the dogs in the back, and it will also have to be our daily vehicle. The wife has agreed to the Tangiers Orange too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkieB Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 Maybe you should pick up a whole hybrid for, let's say £200 — includes tax free chassis [you would need to put an 'original' body on it to avoid SVA under the new regulations though, + it needs welding work] + fully working Lpg system + spare engine + running gear in good working order all the fittings etc you would need to attach to a 100" chassis are there, bodywork isn't fantastically neat around the front wings although it's a start — you would need to pick it up from the South of France though — the weather's nice incidentally! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 Maybe you should pick up a whole hybrid for, let's say £200 — includes tax free chassis [you would need to put an 'original' body on it to avoid SVA under the new regulations though, + it needs welding work] + fully working Lpg system + spare engine + running gear in good working orderall the fittings etc you would need to attach to a 100" chassis are there, bodywork isn't fantastically neat around the front wings although it's a start — you would need to pick it up from the South of France though — the weather's nice incidentally! cheers You're just trying to get me into trouble! Thanks, but if i do one it'll be with my Rangey otherwise i'll just get a 110. Interestingly though, the 'Q' platers are becuase of the 'new' regulations. What's to stop me building one and putting my normal numberplate on it and simply saying i built it before the regs came into force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO3528 Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 I've obviously missed something here. By saying 'original body' does this mean that a RR chassis'ed Series 1 hybrid now has to have a Q plate because it doesn't have it's original shell? Not heard that bit of news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 You can put what ever type body on you want....as long as you don't modify the chassis in any way to do it Built mine before it came in...but I still had to do it, had the recipts, insurance papers proving it was insured as a Hybrid since the late 90's....did it make any difference.....err.....no Once they get there teeth in they don't let go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul/Methuen Posted April 30, 2007 Share Posted April 30, 2007 You can put what ever type body on you want....as long as you don't modify the chassis in any way to do it Built mine before it came in...but I still had to do it, had the recipts, insurance papers proving it was insured as a Hybrid since the late 90's....did it make any difference.....err.....no Once they get there teeth in they don't let go In MA (USA) I registered my hybrid as a 1971 IIA like it always was. The numbers are the same and it looks like not one person cares that it now has an 84" wb and 3.9 V8. In fact I kept up the registration the year or so it took me to build it. I simply told the inspection station I changed the engine and they updated that info on the paperwork. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted April 30, 2007 Author Share Posted April 30, 2007 You can put what ever type body on you want....as long as you don't modify the chassis in any way to do it Built mine before it came in...but I still had to do it, had the recipts, insurance papers proving it was insured as a Hybrid since the late 90's....did it make any difference.....err.....no Once they get there teeth in they don't let go Bugger! Still, as long as they don't mess about too much at the SVA i suppose you know you're 100% legit with a 'Q'. Was it difficult to insure once on a 'Q' plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 If you repair a chassis, is it modified? All i'm thinking is, if i do a rear crossmember 'repair' then i haven't really modified it, have i? Daresay most of you guys (who've had a lot more experience than me) have tried most of the things i'm thinking of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Brock Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 The way it was explained to me....when trying to talk my way out of having it done with just about every bloke at VOSA was..... If you replace a part of a chassis with a like for like replacement like a crossmember/outrigger of the same design that is fine and the bit thats upsets everyone If you, lengthen/shorten/bobtail/trayback/custom crossmember/fit new body type that requires new outriggers etc, its a SVA If you was to built it as a kit car, but the body uses all the same mounting points there is no problem ! The DVLA will list whatever you put on the V5 within reason,The MOT man will not care as long as it will pass, neither will your insurance company all there interested in is the list of Modifications.....Until you god forsake have an accident, it is the drivers resposibility to ensure that it complies with construction and use and type approval VOSA will also expect it to comply with construction and use and its "original" type approval, all ok till it goes t*ts up as it was explained to me in no uncertain terms The choice as they say is down to the driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 The way it was explained to me....when trying to talk my way out of having it done with just about every bloke at VOSA was.....If you replace a part of a chassis with a like for like replacement like a crossmember/outrigger of the same design that is fine and the bit thats upsets everyone If you, lengthen/shorten/bobtail/trayback/custom crossmember/fit new body type that requires new outriggers etc, its a SVA If you was to built it as a kit car, but the body uses all the same mounting points there is no problem ! The DVLA will list whatever you put on the V5 within reason,The MOT man will not care as long as it will pass, VOSA however will expect it to comply with construction and use and its "original" type approval, all ok till it goes t*ts up as it was explained to me in no uncertain terms The choice as they say is down to the driver Dammit you had to bring morality into play didn't you Guess i'll have to do it properly when the time comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 If you ... bobtail ... its a SVA I wonder just how many bobs are out there that have been? Not many i bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO3528 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 I wonder just how many bobs are out there that have been?Not many i bet. None I reckon and who can blame them. The SVA is a right royal rip off as with most theings you are forced to comply with. Interesting thread though guys, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 Interesting thread though guys, well done. Thanks Gaffer It's not helping me with either my decision to cut it up OR how to measure for the bulkheads if i do though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 If you was to built it as a kit car, but the body uses all the same mounting points there is no problem ! Cool, so the 109 definitely doesn't need an SVA then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeppimp Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 sorry fridge, technically the 109 would need SVA as multiple donor vehicles (different engine and non-land rover axles) and chassis mods and would be pretty certain that the statement "radically altered" would apply at least that's the way i read the guidelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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