Does anyone have a bulletproof winchline?

[pugwash]

if not then these guys can help:

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=7981383

[Mo Murphy]

We could wrap you up in winch line, Puggers but that's probably best left for four weeks or so's time

Mo

[pugwash]

has no one else picked up on this:

The top is made from a new fibre called Dyneema, which is thinner than the material used to make traditional bullet-proof vests

[David Sparkes]

has no one else picked up on this:

Yes, but apart from Mo's, no further comment was neccessary.

:-))

[sean f]

Not sure what use it would be though.

With modern fibres it is comparatively easy to make a fabric "bullet proof", the bullet won't actually go through but with out heavy padding to spread the load the bullet carries on going and carrys the fabric with it. Its all a matter of kinetic energy.

Even with heavy padding you still have something similar to being hit with a baseball.

To be of any effective use a jacket has to be fairly heavy (well bulky any way), you only have to look at the jackets the police wear to see that, they don't wear something that bulky all day if there was an alternative.

Having said all that it probalay would be some use in a knife attack.

[GBMUD]

Not sure what use it would be though.

With modern fibres it is comparatively easy to make a fabric "bullet proof", the bullet won't actually go through but with out heavy padding to spread the load the bullet carries on going and carrys the fabric with it. Its all a matter of kinetic energy.

Even with heavy padding you still have something similar to being hit with a baseball.

To be of any effective use a jacket has to be fairly heavy (well bulky any way), you only have to look at the jackets the police wear to see that, they don't wear something that bulky all day if there was an alternative.

Having said all that it probalay would be some use in a knife attack.

I think that bullet 'resistant' would be a better name. A 9mm bullet has relatively little energy and, while you would get a fairly serious injury, that itself might act in your favour. Once you are down the gunman is less likely to shoot you again, assuming that you are dead. I guess it is a trade off between a garment that looks 'normal' and does not hinder movement and something heavy and cumbersome (and blindingly obvious!) which bullets will bounce off leaving no more than a bruise and which, if I were a hitman again, I would be inclined to shoot around - i.e. somewhere unprotected. I am sure that this garment will bring peace of mind to mothers, dealers and gangsters alike.

Chris

[simonr]

You do get so called "second chance" clothing which is just the bullet proof fabric without padding. The idea being that it just limits the penetration. I'd heard that it was quite good in places where a proper vest is not possible.

Stopping knives is surprisingly harder than bullets as they cut through the fibres of kevlar etc. Although stab vests have no doubt got better, there was a time when steel plates were the only totally effective solution.

A few years ago they were talking about some new polymers which were inversely thixotropic (ketchup is thixotropic - it becomes more runny when you shake it) in which the viscocity increases when you hit it such that it will spread an impact load. This was being hailed as a potential revolution in bullet proofing. The clothes can be lighter weight and flexible.

It's an interesting area of technology.

Si

[Brookers]

Just read the articall, 9mm Magnum? Now I know I handed in my pistols in 98 but I still try to keep abreast of developments and I've never heard of a 9mm Mag! Always used to be 9x19 or 9x21.

At the end of the day nothing is bullet proof, it just depends what the round is. To give a example last time I played with vests they would stop most normall pistol rounds, but a .38 Super would penetrate the front and end up caught in the back of the vest while a 9x25 Dillion would punch clean through and keep going! Both of these rounds used very light 9mm heads, around the 85 to 125 grain mark (1600 grains to an ounce) at very high velocity for a pistol, around the 1800 to 2500 feet per second. Bear in mind a normall 9x19 is something like a 140grain bullet around 1400 feet per second.

Not that your likely to be shot by a 9x25 as its a specialist competition round developed for race guns where the porting on the barrel and compensator vent gas upwards so efectivley the shooter experiences no muzzel flip resulting on a very fast shot to shot time. It's a weird pistol to shoot as you cant lock your arms out as the gun comes straight back rather than flipping up, oh and barrel life was around 8000 rounds. I belive the first one in the country was used by Rob Latham at the world shoot at Bisley in 92.

If im wrong im sure a adult will be along to put me right

Brookers

[Guest WALFY]

You do get so called "second chance" clothing which is just the bullet proof fabric without padding. The idea being that it just limits the penetration. I'd heard that it was quite good in places where a proper vest is not possible.

Stopping knives is surprisingly harder than bullets as they cut through the fibres of kevlar etc. Although stab vests have no doubt got better, there was a time when steel plates were the only totally effective solution.

A few years ago they were talking about some new polymers which were inversely thixotropic (ketchup is thixotropic - it becomes more runny when you shake it) in which the viscocity increases when you hit it such that it will spread an impact load. This was being hailed as a potential revolution in bullet proofing. The clothes can be lighter weight and flexible.

It's an interesting area of technology.

Si

There was aprogramme on Discovery Channel about a month ago about those inversely thixopic garments. Some rich Yank bloke doing it. Seemed to be very effective. They were showing the trials of them hitting it with a hammer to show the effect. Didn't see the end of the prog to see how it reacted with ammunition.

[bill van snorkle]

I am a little confused by this thread Has the competition in British challenge events become so fierce and the prize money so high that ruthless opponents have taken to firing artilliary at your winch ropes whilst in use?

Bill.