andy.cowman Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hi. I am actually posting about my friends discovery ( i own a lovely little defender!). Its a G reg 200tdi series 1 disco, 3 door. It has about 120000 miles on the clock and by all appearances hasnt been used offroad before. We worked this out when the transfer box didnt like engageing anything but high!! When we got it into low it then wouldnt come out of it. Anyway we fixed that, also in the three weeks of ownership its been serviced and was booked in for a cambelt change next week. However my deeply unlucky mate (he bought a 3.9 V8 range rover and a month later the block went porous) phoned yesterday after some offroading to say that the cambelt snapped a mile from home. I am not sure of the internal damage yet but want to ask for advice on what to do, the prime concern unfortuntly is cost. is it best/cheapest to rebuild it and where can do it at a good price in the South West? Should we look for a recon engine with an exchange plan? Again where is best? Are there anyother suggestions? Thanks Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Andy(and Mate) Fear not the worst case senario is a set of bent push rods and a snapped rocker or two where in the S/W are you/he I can highly recommend a couple of places dependant on where you are, both could collect the car and won't rip him off. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 I am in Bath and he is in Bromham just out near Melksham/Chippenham. How much roughly do you think it would cost to get it repaired? Thanks Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) £150 labour £50-100 parts these are rough but educated estimates. is he unable to do it himself/with help? the job isn't at all difficult I can point you towards full pictorial instructions, if he fancies having ago. Tony PS don't even think of an exchange engine, this is a dead simple fix easily done in a day even by a novice PPS have a read of THIS Edited January 2, 2006 by white90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 I always thought the Cam Belt going was the end of it for an engine, The job could be done with some help and guidance i expect but i will ask him about it and we will have to look at the pictorial guide before making any decisions about it. The estimates are great, just need a rough idea of cost to mention to him. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 (edited) here is the 300 whilst I look for the 200 both are similar bar the crank lower pulley Edited January 2, 2006 by white90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Thanks, i had a quick look and it seems ok. How do we do the push rods?Is that overly complicated? also what other damage could have occured to the engine as a result of the cambelt failing? I will check back later as have family over today. Thanks very much for your help Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 undo the three bolts on the rocker cover, you'll see if any rockers have snapped if none remove rocker shaft and lift out the push rods, it really is that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 2, 2006 Author Share Posted January 2, 2006 Brilliant, we will check that. If the belt snapped i assume its likely one or more will be bent? If they arent bent is it likely that anything else is damaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Brilliant, we will check that. If the belt snapped i assume its likely one or more will be bent? If they arent bent is it likely that anything else is damaged? No, just change any suspect (or completely buggered!) pushrods, new belt, new rotator caps and any damaged rockers, refit rocker shaft and set valve clearances. As Tony said, a fairly easy job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 As the others have said, a busted cam belt is not a big deal. The hardest bit is the crank bolt as it's so tight. I'm up the road a bit in Swindon. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 3, 2006 Author Share Posted January 3, 2006 Well we are gonna take the rocker cover off and investigate, hopefully before the end of the week and see where we stand. We'll do the push rods ourselves since it doesnt sound to tricky and then most likely send it to a garage to do the cambelt to ensure its done properly. I'll post some pictures of what we find when we start to explore. Apparently the engine just stopped when Stu was driving at about 50mph, after a second or so Stu put the Transfer box and gearbox into neutral and coasted into a layby. Since some people report them going at high revs and from what you guys have told me i am hoping all will be well!! If we get stuck Les we'll shout for help!!! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Les is a Professional mechanic. you'll pay through the nose at a garage for sure. make sure you get a proper quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I've just done the timing belt on my 200Tdi & 4 pushrods, to check the injection pump timing use a 9.5mm drill shank, on the flywheel there's 2 slots, centre the narrow slot over the bellhousing wading plug hole, crank pulley TDC mark lines up with the rib on timing case front cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Thanks for all the help, we werent sure at first if the engine was a goner. With out the guidance of you guys it would have been scrapped!! Stu managed to pursuade some mechanic friend that he did in fact want to have a look and put a new belt and push rods in so the Disco is off to the garage tomorrow. Fingers crossed thats the only problem with her!! I'll let you know when I hear! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I am in Bath and he is in Bromham just out near Melksham/Chippenham. How much roughly do you think it would cost to get it repaired?Thanks Andy Andy hello mate. Nice to see you on here. Glad you found the place I did mentino that you should have bought a V8 didn't i? this isn't your red haired friend is it- he who gets through cars like hot dinners by any chance? Get over to the "getting out there" bit if you want to find some off road events. There's at least 3-4 over the next month, and loads more in the future. how's the shoulder coming on? take care, regards to your parents. Jim (p.s. rangie is trying to give up the ghost at the moment! thinking of scrappnig it and building a proper off roader- watch this space!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 Hey Jim Yes its the red head chap!! The worst luck in the world, had car two weeks and was booked in for the cambelt change then it went on newyears day when he was on the way home from our offroading! Been watching the events but i have been banned from driving the defender for a while! its so annoying! If stus truck is back in action soon though hopefully we will turn up in that. He had a V8 and the block went porous after a month of owning it! Have fun the trialler, sounds awesome. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainspotter Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Cambelt change shold have been done on day one of ownership. Going off road in a vehicle you know very little about in terms of history was pretty stupid. FAIL TO PREPARE THEN PREPARE TO FAIL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy.cowman Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 Cambelt change shold have been done on day one of ownership.Going off road in a vehicle you know very little about in terms of history was pretty stupid. FAIL TO PREPARE THEN PREPARE TO FAIL Unfortunatly he couldnt afford to do it as he spent everything he had left buying the truck, the mileage was kept limited and the offroading was not particulary serious at all. I have owned many cars myself and make a point of keeping them well maintained and fully service and replace the cambelt as soon as I buy them, and not once have I done it on the first day. Your advice is really quite pointless and very un-helpful, your tone of comment is also rude. To everyone else I have met on this forum thank you very much for your help, its been a life saver. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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