Ruff67 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Evening all Firstly great site, I'v browsed and read alot of threads. Vehicle; freelander 2Ltr Exdi on a V plate problem; Starts, ticks over but will not rev up. Put your foot on the gas and the EM light comes on. Story; I have just bought the car from a Trader/private seller ( trading from there private address ). The wife drove it home and said it shook a little when accelerating. Not having had a 4x4 in the past don't know whatit could be. It was very low on fuel so we put £15 in the tank and a friend and I went out in it. yes there was a shake/shudder, it felt like it was coming from the back, but you could feel it through your arse cheeks, more so on right hand bend whilst accelerating, more so on roundabouts, probably tyres? Back at home on the drive, jacked the car in the air.All four wheels off the deck, got underneath to give everything a good tug and pull, props, driveshafts and everything in between. All seemed tight and where it should be. Turn the car over whilst in the air and stuck it in gear to see if we could hear anything wrong. Answer, NO. Lowered the car to the floor and started it up again. This is when the throttle or lack of it appeared. Car will start first time, every time and tick over great not a glitch or murmmer of a problem but put your foot on the gas and the Engine Management Light comes on and no acceleration. Tonight it did creep up to just over the 1000rpm mark but no more and stil the light on. It has been to our local LR specialist and plugged in, report came back "Fitted throttle potensionmeter but fault still the same. Possible pump or wiring fault. Needs more investigation". Seller offered £250 towards the cost of repair, my answer is not fit for print on this fine site. So please help me. funds are not high so anything that I could try and eliminate with out the cost of the local specialist would be grand. cheers Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary1968 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 The shudder you talk about sounds alot like mine was, until last weekend. I have replaced the diff mounting bushes as the front one (nearest the prop flange) was torn. I got the set of 3 on the bay for £40. I also had to replace the VCU as it was tight, causing the diff mounts to tear... (the garage I bought the car from had changed the diff moutns but they only last a few hundred miles) The VCU cost £300 on the bay for a recon unit. It is like a totally different car now. The best way to test the VCU is to block the front wheels, leave the hand brake off and jack up one rear wheel (make sure the car is sitting on level ground and cant roll away). Remove the rear wheel, get a socket onto the centre hub nut and a 2' power bar. Try to turn the wheel, it should turn with a 'fair' bit of force. There are guides on how to do this on Youtube. You can also test it by turning the steering to full lock and reversing, if it feels like the brakes are binding then more than likely the VCU is shot. Sorry I cant help with the engine prob as mine is a K series 1.8 and has its own list of problems...... Anyway, hope this helps mate. Gaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 Cheers Gary1968 Will give that a go whilst it's imobile on my drive. By the sounds of it there is a bit more work on the car to do for an ameture. I think it may be a call to thr seeler to see if ther is a cance of returning it. Not a defetised but that and the NON REVIN prob sounds to costly for my budget. Never say never it might all change over night. Cheers again for the prompt responce to Ruff67 out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 First off, welcome along. The Freebie is a great little car, they have their problems which get them a bad rep, but mostly they're simple enough to diagnose & fix, if not always super-cheap (by tight-ar$e-land-rover-owner standards anyway). On the vibrations, it could be lots of things, there are various bushes and whatnot that can wear out, and faults with the 4x4 system can cause uneven tyre wear which doesn't help. Mine had shot support bearings on the propshaft, you wouldn't spot this laying underneath but you could hear it driving along. Do you know if your viscous coupling is seized or not? Does it feel like it's trying to grind to a stop reversing round a corner / parallel parking? If the VCU is seized then other parts of the drivetrain will be stressed. An easy way to eliminate it from the equation is to remove the propshaft complete - it's not a hard job. The non-revving thing could be something daft - v8bertha had a thread on here a while back where a blown brakelight bulb stopped him dead as the traction control / hill descent uses the brake light circuit as an input If you haven't already got them, click here for the full Land Rover "RAVE" manuals, that will give you all the info on the engine management so you can check/test stuff yourself rather than pay some fitters to plug a laptop in and poke it with sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris H Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi Ruff67.....I would try fuel punp or blocked fuel filter Regards Chris H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Evening All, A glimmer of light at the end of a dark tunnel . Today stood and thought.................... Process of illimination time, check fuel at filter, no fuel. pumped by hand and bled the filter at the top after draining at the bottom. Still no fuel flow. Pump in tank, found it, ignition on and no noise,also the retaining ring ( not sure the name )does not stay on it pops of when trying to tighten up fully. But I guess the pump is U.S. somebody please say Im'e right. Would that cause the motor not to rev up due to lack of pump pressured fuel flow? Awaiting your replies with my breathe held ( so please reply soon ) thanks for the replies. Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi Ruff67.....I would try fuel punp or blocked fuel filter Regards Chris H Cheers Chris H If I'd have logged on this morning could of got a bit more sorted. Well theres always tomorrow. Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hello again, Should of asked, What would be the part number for this pump and of course what will be the financial hit on the ol' wallet Night night all Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Depending on the way the engine works, the pump may not run until the engine management sees the engine turning, EG from the crank sensor signal or whatnot. Most petrol engines do this, and it's caught many out over the years. I don't know much about the XEDI, but it will all be described in the RAVE manuals. Worth a read before splashing for a new fuel pump that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 Morning. IT'S NOT A PUMP, just a fuel pick up. We all learn by mistakes, good job I didn't get over excited and order something that i didn't need. Back to square one, booked back in to garage on monday. Should have shot it when had the chance. Pee'd off Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonT Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "Should have shot it when had the chance" Or maybe the vendor !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If the vendor is trading, even from a "private" house, then trading standards view it as trading - just like all those people on eBay "privately" trading 1000 items a month. If it looks like a business, it's good enough for them Ruff - can you give a little more info on what you have actually checked/tried - for example you say "it's not a pump", so does that mean you've checked the pump and it's fine? if so, what did you do / how did you check it? The more info you give the more people can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steerngo Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 seeing how you are getting no fuel up the pipe , have you tried to blow down it, you should be able to hear bubbling or is the pipe blocked. There is no pump in the tank. ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Cheers for the replies and comments, Sorry fridgefreezer when I said it's not a pump, I ment that the fuel pick-up in the tank ( as steerngo said ) isn't a fuel pump on this vehicle. Will try and blow ( OHH ER MISSUS ) the pipe from filter tp tank today. I got a little confused, but that RAVE disc thingy-ma-bob Is really worth the wait. Learnt so much more . Thankyou. I have come to the result thet a new injector pump will be needed, just hope i can get some readies for the pump and fitting off the seller. Wish me luck, Will know more on monday, when it goes back into the garage. Need it doing, starting to get p'ed off again. Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 If you need parts, I can recommend both Freelanderbreakers.co.uk and Boxer Salvage, I've had bits for mine from both of them and they've been bang on (and much cheaper than new!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defv890 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Hi did it drive ok before you run the car on axle stands?? as this can cause all sorts of faults to stored in the abs/tc and engine ecus causing all sorts of problems. might be worth taking to a dealer to read and clear fault codes, they should charge you max 1/2hr labour. main dealer computer t4 reads more codes than some after market ones might be worth a go?? if it turns out to be the pump it could be cheaper to go to a diesel pump specialist to recon your pump instead. hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff67 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Evening. Fridgefreezer thanks for the two companies will bare them in mind if the proplem(s) look to be expensive. defv890: yes the vehicle ran great before we stuck it up on axle stands. It is booked into ROEAN ( landrover specialist ) on monday to sort out (hopefully) the electircal/pump probs. At the mo I am just waiting for the news........................ Cheers again for the responses. Ruff67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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