LR 6x6 for Europe - Rollin Recording Studio...

[o_teunico]

How to handle them in the inner city areas safely where we have to go for concert recordings ???!!!! Imagine to be in Spain or Italy... :-)

We faced the same problem in our familly (well, at a different level). We wanted a motorhome, but driving arround those lovely mediterranian villages with such a big vehicle is a real challenge, so we opted for a Lancia Phedra MPV + Roller Caravan. We proceed as you will do with your 6x6: park the caravan in the suburbs and use the Lancia as a "shuttle" to go to centre of the village, and back to the caravan at night.

There has never been a production LR with (comfortable) 10 seats. Difficult to obtain, but you could try to locate an arab limmo from the 80's

Cheapest way is using "off the shelf" vehicles. Maybe a 15-17 seats bus will provide you with a good 10 seats + cargo vehicle that could tow safely your 5th wheeler with a dolly.

Some years ago I worked in the parts department of MONBUS, spanish biggest bus fleet company. SETRA is, along with MB, part of the EvoBus group, so you will have parts in any MB Truck dealer in Europe. NEOPLAN is part of M.A.N., so no worry about parts. IVECO has a good network all over Europe, with excellent prices for their genuine parts. IRIZAR spanish coachbuilder solds it´s products in Europe trough the SCANIA dealers, so again, no worry about parts availability.

The smaller the bus is, the cheaper it will be to service. A tyre alone for a full size coach will cost you arround 300-400 Eur. and air brakes are also expensive to maintain (filters, compressor...).

If you are going to use the vehicle off-road (concerts held outdoors in rain and grass) MB has made both 4x4 versions of Vario and Sprinter buses. You could buy first a 4x2 and then convert to 4x4 if you don´t find at first a 4x4 unit.

[o_teunico]

If you are still interested in soviet trucks, just google ZIL and GAZ truck and you will find plenty info.

GAZ 3308 double cab

[SenseMaker2013]

We faced the same problem in our familly (well, at a different level). We wanted a motorhome, but driving arround those lovely mediterranian villages with such a big vehicle is a real challenge, so we opted for a Lancia Phedra MPV + Roller Caravan. We proceed as you will do with your 6x6: park the caravan in the suburbs and use the Lancia as a "shuttle" to go to centre of the village, and back to the caravan at night.

Ah... Lancia... I drove a nice Lancia Beta 2.0... lovely.... very sportive. :-)

http://www.bestautophoto.com/images/lancia-beta-2.0-coupe-02.jpg

Yes, I have thought about such a Dolly Hitch... but I must say: its only functionally... but doesnt look really cool... to imagine a 5th Wheeler behind a regular cabin car, not very good looking I would say :-(

Today I found another word, never heard before. Its called "Cargo Bus". Very cool concept... I never have known about such busses... and never seen one. By the pics I found it looks like that in South America they used these Cargo Freight Coaches heavily. I suppose in some (Anden) regions they dont have a good logistic infra structure with railway cargo. A very interesting concept...

If I should follow this conception it would be suitable for a smaller crew... in the cargo part could be setup the studio, even with a hydraulic lifting platform in the back it would make it possible to overcome the inner-city parking problem... just a short park front the concert hall after arriving... opening the cargo door in the back, taking out all flight cases and the switch of the mobile studio into the concert hall would be done quickly.... the driver would park the vehicle little bit ouside and coming back with an eBike to support the crew during the concert recording.

It seems Volvo did the best Cargo Coaches, called "Volvo Carrus 9700 H Cargo" (based on a Volvo B10M chassis). The prizes for used B10Ms 6x2 in the market are OK. But very, very rare to get... mostly in Sweden and Denmark.

Further Volvo experimented with a more modern concept called DCV (Distribution Concept Vehicle)... but yet I havent found lots of informations about... :-)

From the driver cabin its possible to walk directly into the container without leaving the vehicle. Its a modern, fresh look by the whole design and therefore not of that budget size.

I dont know lot about trucks. What about the service network for Volvo Coaches within Europe ?

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Today I have thought about where to look... beside military sources, fire brigades. I found specific websites for Showmen who travel from city to city for circus (and October Fest) ;-). They are used since long time to live on the road and travel all year... a good Iveco container vehicle is just in the market for sales. Looks nice... so the regular broadcasting trucks for BBC etc. are typically look like. Its standard, so nothing special.

These "show people" even like to use (American) 5th wheelers... in Germany we have specific websites and market places so lets see what is coming around from there.

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PS: If you want know more about Cargo Buses, take a look at the Blue Volvo.... its used by a racing team...

the photo gallery is here: http://www.abmracing.se/images/byggbilder%20bussen/Bussen%20oktober%202010/index.html . :-)

[SenseMaker2013]

If you are still interested in soviet trucks, just google ZIL and GAZ truck and you will find plenty info.

Yes, ZIL.... I have searched for after you have sent me the pic of the 6x6.... one of the best markets I would say is Cech Republic, indeed. There is a company called "Mortar Investments" - http://www.mortarinvestments.eu .

They just offer a ZIL-131, for only 2,842 Euros... a real cheap prize. The Container Box is great... good for setting up a studio inside.

But there is a big but: the ZIL 131 has Gasoline engine... at the prize of 2 Euros per litre and the thirst of 45 litres/00 km such a truck would be a diseaster, economically.

Another option is a Tatra... a real monster absent the street.... I love the youtube videos about the Tatra 8x8 Kolos.... unbelievable what hill (or better to say mountain) climber these robust vehicles are. :-)

Mortar Investments has such a Tatra for now in sales.... a T-815 Kolos model at the prize of 14,210 Euros .

I like the cabin size (Rec.: Yet I have no pics of the cabin inside). On the bridge it should be possible to fix a hitch for a 5th wheeler plus enough space for a medium sized container box to store flight cases, install extra water tanks etc. ...

[tacr2man]

Have a look at Low emission Zones in Europe , they are increasing esp in major cities, you will not be able to take most of the above vehicles into these places as they will not meet emission standards , also to try and make them comply can cost thousands alone . I feel your ideas have outgrown your wallet . I have occassion to see mobile studios , and transmission vehicles , and the main thing is they are in relatively new vehicles, and represent many thousands of pounds of investment . Dont want to spoil your dreams but a bit of a reality check is sometimes needed JMHO

[FridgeFreezer]

I think I know the owner of that Tatra... you would not need a 5th wheel on the back of that, just put a cabin on the back. The 8x8's are even cooler - but quite impractical for your application. But hey, why not look at MAN KAT's while you're there!

What you need to do is talk to a coachbuilder, they will convert any truck or bus to suit your needs, including old ones. There are loads of people rocking around in old trucks/buses with special spaces in the back - from Iveco racing campers with space for motorbikes in the back to the Nissan Skyline club who passed me on the M25 driving an 37-seat bus with a car in the back.

I understand your concern about city parking, but bus & truck drivers manage OK 99% of the time and I doubt a 6x6 land rover with a huge trailer is going to be any easier to park.

[honitonhobbit]

*walks away shaking his head*

[SenseMaker2013]

Have a look at Low emission Zones in Europe , they are increasing esp in major cities, you will not be able to take most of the above vehicles into these places as they will not meet emission standards , also to try and make them comply can cost thousands alone . I feel your ideas have outgrown your wallet . I have occassion to see mobile studios , and transmission vehicles , and the main thing is they are in relatively new vehicles, and represent many thousands of pounds of investment . Dont want to spoil your dreams but a bit of a reality check is sometimes needed JMHO

we know about the Euro6 coming from Sept 2014 in Europe... I am not interested to pay annually some hundreds of Euros because we miss the "Green Vignette". In Germany we have the possibilty to registrate elder trucks as so called "H" (Historical vehicles) which keeps us away from such reglementations.

Environmental aspects nowadays are a must which must be proofed seriously... no doubt. I am not just a guy who likes to have fun (Privately I am not a car owner as I dont need one working in a home office). I am proofing same seriously (beside this spinning around) to setup a project with a new built vehicle. Financing projects never is so cheap as these days.... :-)

I just want say: for now its open into every direction.... getting ideas, being inspired, having an open mind to proof different options. From there then, after a detailled check and pre-selection it moves concretely into one direction. Yet the project is not in this phase.

About budgeting: We do not talk about one of these TV broadcasting trucks... I know very well, that the big broadcasters, e.g. Europe's biggest ARD ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_(broadcaster)) uses trucks with a single prize of 20 million each. They have an annually budget of 5.5 billion Euros, so money doesnt count there. The best is good enough for them.

We are in a different situation. We have our focus on radio production, which makes it more simple as 95% the whole data work flow process is software/computer based. Even a well working Web-TV studio can be realized at the prize of 60,000 Euros... no need to buy an extreme expensive HD camera each 100,000 Euros as the big TV studios use it.

Our working processes are already established fully, since years (I produce since 2 years in my own radio studio), before I produced in a radio studio of my home channel knowing in details how the internal work processes are structured. - On the road within Europe we just need LTE (Mobile Internet) to have a quick access to our file server from where the radio stations pull the produced files by individual FTP accounts). Very simple to handle at low prize. The miniaturisation by digitalisation makes radio as the quickest and cheapest media format... :-) We are collaborating with research institutes of Universities to optimize these processes for international media distribution. Therefore we can fund parts by European funding programmes/government subventions. :-)

But tks for the warning.... being realistically at the end of the road is relevant for an economically surviving. :-)

[SenseMaker2013]

What you need to do is talk to a coachbuilder, they will convert any truck or bus to suit your needs, including old ones. There are loads of people rocking around in old trucks/buses with special spaces in the back - from Iveco racing campers with space for motorbikes in the back to the Nissan Skyline club who passed me on the M25 driving an 37-seat bus with a car in the back.

yes, we are talking with one (and not only with one)... E.g. RedCar is front our door and a very experienced one, evening knowing the business on the road as a "Tour Service Company". RedCar is one of the leading specialists in Europe running Nightliners for artists and music bands. They maintain every detail of the bus by their own and even setup the whole interior design with their inhouse-specialists... its all "home made" beside the chassis. They mainly use Setra buses. Here some pics:

(Source: http://www.red-car.de/[sD_Premium_3]/seiten--70/index.html)

Same we have other builders on hand who like to follow our concept of a more "simple design", as these luxury coaches of RedCar aren't the direction we like to go. Keep it simple and clean to have a working space which let you focus on the job, thats the philosophy. Too much blinking around isnt what helps us to keep the feet on the ground.... :-)

So we have some different design concepts in mind from where we decide which kind of vehicle might be suitable for us, we build "from inside to outside" and not the otherway round... here some beautiful but simple designs which can be done "low cost prize" as all these designs already have been built, e.g. in promotion vehicles:

These designs are all setup for vehicles with less than 7.5 tons total weight... :-) So the 5th wheelers can even be pulled with smaller pickup trucks. Lets see.... yet there is no urgent need to make any decision... its time for collecting ideas.... have a look here and there and then a good basis of datas to make a good decision. :-)

[SenseMaker2013]

*walks away shaking his head*

No need to worry, keep relaxed ;-) .... the project is in a very early stage of "brain storming"... *laugh*. Lets see if we will end up with a Land Rover version ;-)

[honitonhobbit]

Project

1). Budget

2). Concept

3) what do I want

4) what do I need

5) Budget check

6) Build

7) Snag

8) Finish and take bow to audience

NB Do not use Forums as sounding boards, use friends in pubs/bars

Dreams

1) Faff about

2) Faff about some more

3) Do some more faffing

NB Use Forums to postulate and listen to postulation being postulated

[SenseMaker2013]

Project

1). Budget

2). Concept

3) what do I want

4) what do I need

5) Budget check

6) Build

7) Snag

8) Finish and take bow to audience

NB Do not use Forums as sounding boards, use friends in pubs/bars

Dreams

1) Faff about

2) Faff about some more

3) Do some more faffing

NB Use Forums to postulate and listen to postulation being postulated

I dont have so much friends in pubs talking about this.. .*laughing*. I would not trust 2 or 3 opinions, not enough.

The Inter-net is a good, not to say excellent source to share ideas, get inspirations and critical feedback (so fare one is open for it). What you expect by perfection is a professional project manager who already has 20 years experience in the segment of 4x4, Motor homes etc. and has realized 20 individual truck projects.....

For what such barriers in mind ? - We all experienced cool people like Bill Gates (didnt finish a university degree), Steve Jobs (didnt finish a university degree), Richard Branson (Founder of Virgin group, didnt finish a university degree) because these guys never practiced self limitations. And by sure you know some people around in your neighbourhood who are same keen, but less famous.

I belong to that kind of people who like to keep open minded, get inspriations, ideas.... as first step. All successfully people writing their biographies (and I have read many different to learn from) explain as one secret: "I am not the most intelligent one, but I never hesitated to ask good people, listen to them." - There are always people better than me, and by sure I am a real fool in 6x6 or 4x4 trucks, Landrovers etc. .... but that does not mean I am not willing to learn.

if you think, that a project is defined by a budget, its wrong. How then was possible to fly to the moon or even mars ? - How was built the A380 ? (It costed 12 billion Euros development). Money is just paper printed with ink... All what we have today as so called "modern societies" comes from people who already realized their dreams... and who never allowed themselfs (or by others) to be limitated by money. Which does not autmatically say that all dreams can be realized as failing is part of being successfully. Those people who have plenty of money know that and they are willing to give it (or less lend it) to people who want realize their dreams and are at the beginning.

Did a Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook blocked himself to say: I cannot start FB because I miss the money ? - No, he didnt.... he got a funding by Microsoft of 160 million... without this money injection FB never would have become what it is today.

All good projects, in small or in big, start with dreams and visions.... and I think, such a forum should allow to present such dreams, ideas, visions.... then naturally, you are right: detailled analysis, conception, budgeting and planning (inclusive all resources) are a must to make a project successfully. What you talk about is the "home work", just a duty which must be done.

But let me finnish this comment that way: "Always let sit on your driver's seat your dreams." - Otherwise you end in boringness. :-) Less, thats my philosophy how I move through life. I sit now since nearby 8 years in the studio doing there my recordings... and I tell you, its terrible boring to go there and produce radio shows... months for months, year for year. I like to have a change. I want go on the road, and do cool media projects in different European cities... thats my dream I am driven by. And here all starts. I am thankfully that some came in and gave critics, input and participated to let come this dream true and to reality (in closer future). So all begins... every new way begins like this.

If I should have disturbed this forum with my way of thinking, I am sorry. But I will not turn my way around to block myself to find good ideas. Herefore the Internet as a knowledge community (in its original sense) is the right place. :-) And its time now to find the right way to setup this project.

Faffing definitely is the wrong term what is going here. Suppose you dont like that way I handle it. So it is... less we should respect each other for our individual way to move through life, and not demanding stereotypical definitions about what has to be or may not be.

[o_teunico]

Ah... Lancia... I drove a nice Lancia Beta 2.0... lovely.... very sportive. :-)

Our Lancia Phedra is just a rebadged Peugueot 807. Not sportive, but a good touring car for long journeys.

VOLVO network, at least in Spain, was excellent, with friendly help over the phone and fast parts delivery.

Mid engined VOLVO buses are the best handling buses ever built, but mechanics hated them because of difficult access to engine.

A curious thing about SETRA, at least in their 15m 319s, is that side glasses/windows are all different. They look similar, but there is a 2 or 4 cm difference in length. That was a big problem for us because we needed a big stock with lots of references to service them.

ZIL 131 has Gasoline engine... at the prize of 2 Euros per litre and the thirst of 45 litres/00 km such a truck would be a diseaster, economically

What about an LPG conversion? Will help with economy and envioroment.

Have you explored the deployable shelter idea?

Instead of a big bus or truck you could always use two smaller (LR) vehicles, one towing the studio and the other the sleeping and coocking facilities.

Keep going and don´t let anyone kill your dreams!

[SenseMaker2013]

@o_Teunic: you are really amazing I must say... you are really deep in the bus thematic, right ? - I havent notice about that Volvo has middle engines... interesting. So the question would be: where to put the beds/bunks that it does not become too noisy. Yes, by sure a nightmare for the mechanics I can imagine. I only had to maintain my little Unimog while I was soldier for German army... easy to handle. :-)

What about an LPG conversion? Will help with economy and envioroment.

Can you read my mind ? - Yes, I have thought about LPG.... positive (+): high subventions.... its low cost, so you can handle higher consumption. negative (-) The tank volume only can be calculated with 80%, as you need the pressure inside... so its a reduced max. distance with one tank filling. The European network of Propan Gas stations isnt really safe, thats another aspect... maybe I am wrong.

I went through the closer and bigger European countires... already in Denmark the net is very low (only 6)... even Italy looks not so good with 2168 (Poland has more: 2995 stations) while Germany has 5777 stations (alone in Hanseatic City Hamburg (as 2nd biggest city in Germany) where I live we have round about 50 stations). So locally and in Germany alone it would be suitable.

I still have to proof this aspect more in details. If a good route planning allows to keep enough reserves to come from propan gas station to next station.

Yet I have not researched about the question, if there exist engines, who can run both, propan gas and diesel. Probably not naivly/intuitively I would say. (Looks like, that I am not the only guy who has this question in mind: http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/diesel.html ).

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Man, this shelter concept is aweseome cool.... I am big fan of Container concepts generally... Why building houses stone by stone ??? - Office containers, kitchen containers, living containers, schools and kinder gardens made of containers... its all possible. (Rec.: For long term we target at an own radio station (a plan of 10 years), where we have the idea to setup a whole media building together by containers - http://www.imcradio.net/thecube40 )

So, naturally I think into this direction, too. Now I drive some folks here in the forum totally mad *laugh*. Yes, guys, I cannot be packed easily and quickly into a board with one simple definition.

To imagine for festivals expanding such a 3-in-1-container, unfolding up to 200%, it can become a real media centre... very clever idea. I have not seen this yet. Its really suprising in this project to become aware what huge creativity human beings have around the globe to find practical, easy going solutions. I love that. :-)

For such a container I have thought to take a pure tractor; we call them in Germany "Saddle Pulling Mashine" and hook it with a "container bridge". - E.g. using a Tatra truck you get a 6x2 wheeler already for max. 10,000 Euros. Here a Tatra T815-200N32 actually for sales at 9,000 Euros (built in 1995 with 500,000 km).

(There are different others here, some with bigger cabins: http://www.mascus.de/lkw-transport/sattelzugmaschinen/tatra,1,relevance,gebrauchte.html )

As yet I have not known about such interesting shelter concepts, I thought about an IsoTherm Container box... they already have a good isolation, and a cooling/heating system. (Rec.: Freezer/Froster Air conditions same can be used for heating.)

You can get them for 5-6,000 Euros... with air suspension, a double axe, where the 2nd is a passive stearing (proably I dont use the correct technical term, sorry for my bad English).I mean such semitrailers:

Its all from well known and established container builders, e.g. Pacton or Schmitz. Some even have a side door, and in the back a hydraulic lift (some can be falted underfloor like a pocket knife). So the loading of the flight cases of our mobile studio on the backside would be an easy going.... I am very aware, that such an empty container would bring lots of work.... bathroom/shower/toilet installation, electricity etc. .... lets see. The good aspect: I get what I want and how I want it... no big compromises (beside the longer pre-planning).

Definitely I will check out your idea of such a shelter (I suppose its a Norwegian company - http://bit.ly/14ISQ5V ) and proof more in details seriously as the Container Chassis trailers are of low prize between 3500-5000 Euros...

Tks for inspiring me. ;-) And dont worry: I am my biggest enemy on my own *laugh*. Its only me who can destroy my dreams. - Who else ?! :-)

So fare...

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PS: You didnt tell me about the one hand / press the button solution for lazy guys *laugh*

The Aussies have an own understanding about the design ;-) Less the name "ModPod" is really funny:

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[o_teunico]

I havent notice about that Volvo has middle engines... interesting

Not all VOLVO buses are mid engined. For example, a B10R will be a "B" bus chassis, "10" 10 litre engine, and "R" rear engine. B9M will be a 9 litre engine with mid mounted engine.

Some years ago I saw, during hollydays in Portugal, a double decker bus with mid mounted engine. It was great because rear of lower deck had windows, that will make a great living room. I was driving, so couldn´t take any pics, but was similar to this

I will not buy TATRA. European network is not great. I will stick to well stablished makes: MB, MAN, SCANIA, VOLVO, IVECO (MAGIRUS) and RENAULT.

In the bus industry there is a recently formed company called IRISBUS, made by the union of IVECO and RENAULT bus divisions.

You could also have a look to ex-circus equipment. They use plenty of expandable semis.

[SenseMaker2013]

Not all VOLVO buses are mid engined. For example, a B10R will be a "B" bus chassis, "10" 10 litre engine, and "R" rear engine. B9M will be a 9 litre engine with mid mounted engine.

Indeed a very beautiful one... yes I like the B10 (see my former posting about the Cargo Coaches and the Volvo B10M) :-)

Irisbus... something rings in my head, yes... I remember. And today it seems they like to use an extra ordinary, very progressive design. Future is calling:

Iveco has a specific website for used Iris buses.... http://www.irisbus-used.com

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PS: Yes, Circus people or Showmen are probably the best experts for "living on the road". :-) Already lurking as they have own websites specifically for their needs where you find used trucks, trailers etc. ... but they love the luxury versions and even use the US 5th Wheelers *laugh* (naturally to undestand as they want have with their families a comfort zone during whole year on travelling from city to city).

One trailer of these circus people I found. What an exclusive design it has, very beautifully and for me unpayable ;-)

(Original source / more pics: http://www.schausteller.de/anzeigenmarkt/wohnwagen-grass-mit-kinderzimmer-81316.html )

[FridgeFreezer]

Project

1). Budget

2). Concept

3) what do I want

4) what do I need

5) Budget check

6) Build

7) Snag

8) Finish and take bow to audience

Yours is a commercial/business project. The absolute number 1 thing it HAS to do is work. Being cool, exciting, wacky, etc. will not get you business if the thing breaks down, costs too much to run, doesn't work properly, is not fit for purpose, or bankrupts your business in the build process before it ever turns a wheel.

Keep it simple, base it on a tried & tested platform that is designed for the job/load at hand. Once it is built & working & under-budget & earning money reliably you can *then* splash out on a hand-airbrushed paint job, disco lights, jaccuzzi, whatever you want to do to distinguish you from the crowd. All the bling interior design in your photos adds a huge amount to the budget compared to the basic easy version that the guy building it would probably chose if he was building it for himself. 100 bling sparkly lights in the ceiling looks very nice, but 5 standard light fittings will work just as well and cost 20x less to build in.

BTW, here's a crew sleeper / car-transporter converted bus as seen at Thruxton - they get the race car + tools in the back, crew live in the main part.

[SenseMaker2013]

@FridgeFreezer: Nothing to say against your arguments... I am a big fan of "simplyfing your life" :-) which does not mean, that I cannot enjoy my eyes by beautiful handcraft and qualitatively good art work. :-)

We "radio people" are not "eye focussed". Luckily... theoretically we could sit in a sleeping dress (pyjama), unshaved and nobody cares how we look (fat slim, overweigth etc. ...). What counts is what we have to say behind the microphone. ;-) So we are little bit different from the eye-catchy visually oriented colleagues from TV departements where all has to be "blinky" so fare the budget allows :-)

Most important is to have good people around... that they feel comforable within the simplicity of solution, have all tools available to work professionally and to feel relaxed, focussed and motivated to be part of the project. :-) In our radio channel we run everything very simple since years... and we have a different spirit there as we are part of a media campus... http://www.flickr.com/photos/imconair/

Functionally its same as you know it from the big broadcaster, nothing different. But we can say by calculations, its low budget oriented which helps to be focussed on the relevant things... So I work since 2005... :-)

Same my "on the road project" will run... only one correction: its not a commercial project, its a social project behind ( see: http://www.imcradio.net/about ) which does not means we may allow us mis-calculations *laugh*.

:-) Tks anyhow for your critical feedback. Dont worry.... its exactly going as you suggested.

[SenseMaker2013]

BTW, here's a crew sleeper / car-transporter converted bus as seen at Thruxton - they get the race car + tools in the back, crew live in the main part.

Photo0319.jpg Photo0320.jpg

... about the Cargo Coach concept I did a posting here: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=84059&page=2#entry723293

(If you like pls have a detailled look at the Blue Volvo Coach (you find there the link to the pics gallery). They are a racing team, too.)

[ThunderBus]

I'm a composer (from germany) and I had the same dream like you, but I got the chance to make it come true
INFO: My solar and wind powered mobile recording studio isn't for hire!

More pictures of the bus:
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**Facts about the "Recording Studio" in An Oldtimer Bus**

YOB: 1969
Brand: Buessing / MAN
Lenght: 12 m
Wide: 2.55 m
Hight: 3.70 m
Hourse-Power: 320
Engine: 6 Cycle, Turbo-Diesel

**SOLAR / WIND GENERATOR**

8x 220Ah Batteries
5x 180Wp Solar Panels
1x Silent-Wind Generator (400Watt)

**EXTRAS***

6m x 2m Roof-Top Terrace
 

Edited March 12, 2017 by ThunderBus
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