Rangie46 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Gents putting a p38 4.0 in my 90 but don't know enough about megasquirt to decide which way to go, ms1 or 2, at the end of the day it has to be waterproof I know ms2 can direct fire the coils, but have read there can pe probs with this, and ms 1 uses edis which I can see most of you here run, please convince me which way I should go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 A VERY Good question - to which there is honestly not a "Correct answer".... But to quote from you but don't know enough about megasquirt Is enough of an admission for me to advise as follows : MS1 is what I have chosen to use within the business www.megasquirt-v8.co,uk I started knowing nothing and learnt and learnt and learnt...and still learn often daily However I have learnt MS1 Simple of all to understand and get to grips with Robust Reliable More than good enough for the venerable Rover V8 EDIS 8 = Proven and bullet proof Firmware (the ECUs operating systems) are mainly intechangable Kits I do are proven, and work and stay working ! Known route to build = help and undertanding of what you MIGHT have done wrong You don't NEED MS2 for a V8 Kits I do give you everything vs you having like I did yonks ago learn and make stuff MS1 easy to get involved with so self tunning etc is not a vertical slope ! Masses of help here and around with this system MS1 cheaper MS2 More advanced yes - but its a 50s Buick engine not a VVT - there are some seriously exotic stuff out there on MS1 - inc my 5.2 ! MS2 = FAR MORE COMPLEX far trickier to cut yer teeth on You can upgarde your MS1 ECU to an MS2 via the chipset if you wnat NOT ONE of my customers has ! MS2 has so many options and possiblities for firmware and set ups that MSQs (Programme files) are NOT interchangable Costs more Has better definaition on fuelling, can run semi sequential, and other whizzy things, I seriously doubt you would notice and I will argue a simple to learn / tune / and well set up Ms1 will often outperform a MS2 that is not as well set up due to complexity ... I steer away from MS2 and MS3, as for a Rover V8 IMVHO is overkill, extar complexity and not something to "Learn" On..I get LOADS of calls from peeps having probs with MS2, when I ask "Which firmware version is it running and DCD or EDIS and where the MSQ from ? I get normally a blank answer bacjk.. So, go MS1, easy proven relaible and cheaper and fun !! Nige # Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Worth remembering MS1 can be upgraded to MS2 later (a bit like swapping the processor in your PC), so if you buy an MS1 and decide you absolutely have to have some feature that only MS2 can do, you haven't wasted your money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie46 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks guys that clears it up then, Nige looks like ill be giving you a shout for one of your kits once the Xmas bank draining has finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 So around sept 2014ish then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangie46 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 So around sept 2014ish then I hope not, need to get rid of the old oil burner ASAP, started tearing down the 4.0 today and all looks ok so far but even if this one is scrap I still got another 3.9 vbelt as backup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 My only advice would be: Go MS1, what started out as a vertical wall of WODDAFOCK is now a fairly flat wall of OH YES I UNDERSTAND THIS QUITE NICELY NOW ACTUALLY and it works REALLY REALLY well on my RV8 in my Disco and is an offroad dream vs what was an offroad nightmare. Buy everything from Nige, he's bonkers raving mental which will take you some time to come to terms with but is a genuinely top guy and has made a cracking business which in turn provides a cracking product to us, the customer. When my full kit arrived this time last year, OMG Christmas came early that year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Oi ^^^^ Nige, he's bonkers raving mental which will take you some time to come to terms with... :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Buy everything from Nige, he's bonkers raving mental which will take you some time to come to terms with but is a genuinely top guy and has made a cracking business which in turn provides a cracking product to us, the customer. Nige, if you don't put that in your "testimonials" section I'll make Dave put it in there when you're not looking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTOINE Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I confirm, I am french , I don't speak english very well and my engine run with a MS1 I have take the Nige's kit for my engine, very good and complet kit, I wait to do my schnorckel to try to tuning (i want more torque), maybe last month (i am not sure for the last sentence, next month will be better ??, ) for the moment i read , read, and read again to try to understand your language technique ........not easy , i prefer eat frog .......more easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 oh gawd..... Er....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTOINE Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 and again, I don't understand the last topic ........... my english teacher had right , you are the most bad student of the school ............ "oh gawd....." ??????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Nige, if you don't put that in your "testimonials" section I'll make Dave put it in there when you're not looking! <sigh> Ok Guv I give in : http://www.megasquirt-v8.co.uk/testimonials.php Sam - Need a suitable piccie of truck please dafter the better <sigh> Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 and again, I don't understand the last topic ........... my english teacher had right , you are the most bad student of the school ............ "oh gawd....." ??????????? Oh gawd = Cornered like a trapped rat..."Dave" is my website designer and mate of Mr Fridges, and, if I don't do it dave will, and then prob put special code on it so I can't alter it Better I give in and just do it Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 <sigh> Ok Guv I give in : http://www.megasquirt-v8.co.uk/testimonials.php Sam - Need a suitable piccie of truck please dafter the better <sigh> Nige LOL urm ok let me see, not sure if I've got any daft ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Nope that's confirmed Haven't got any marginally daft pics, the car takes itself too seriously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 What do you want a picture of?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Oh gawd = oh God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Sam good action pic / favorite piccie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Oh I see! Well, these are the latest. There's this one that comes complete with cheesy grin: Or this one tad more action but no grin: And this one probably has a look of absolute fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Tis Done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rangie46 Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 Mr noisy some nice pics there, looking forward to getting cracking on this, must admit the install and wiring doesn't scare me, but the programming does so plenty of reading ahead me thinks, starting stripping the 4.0 and came across a couple of missing core plugs and a well blown head gasket on the drivers bank but no sights of steam cleaning on the pistons, next job to do will be to get the block preasure tested, I'll start a build thread in the members vehicle area with some pics soon, once again guys thanks for your advice you all seam like right mad bunch I think I'm going to enjoy it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 ECU would be programmed fully for your engine inc PWM Control Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Noisy Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Mr noisy some nice pics there, looking forward to getting cracking on this, must admit the install and wiring doesn't scare me, but the programming does so plenty of reading ahead me thinks, starting stripping the 4.0 and came across a couple of missing core plugs and a well blown head gasket on the drivers bank but no sights of steam cleaning on the pistons, next job to do will be to get the block preasure tested, I'll start a build thread in the members vehicle area with some pics soon, once again guys thanks for your advice you all seam like right mad bunch I think I'm going to enjoy it here. Pleased to hear it My advice from the outset would be use tuner studio instead of MT and MLV, I just found it much easier to get my head around doing everything within one program. Plus TS have just released auto warmup enrichment tuning in their latest beta which I have been playing with plus gps support for real time figures, all good fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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