Warthog Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 Looking at the HD Drag link and Track rod. I have been told that you dont need the steering damper if you use HD bars? Opinions anyone Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 seems to be a personal preference thing when ive seen this asked in the past. try taking off & seeing what you think? i cant see the HD bars making any real difference in how it feels with/without a damper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 ^^^^ What Andy said, the HD bars only make the rods more damage resistant, shouldn't affect the steering damper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagent Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 i cant see how the two issues have much to do with each other, you dont need a steering damper, they just tend to drive better if you've got one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog Posted October 8, 2006 Author Share Posted October 8, 2006 Enough said, will try it with and without Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litch Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 I run my 90 with the solid bars and a De Carbon gas steering damper, works fine. I am the first to admit I have never driven my vehicle without any form of steering damper so I can't comment on its performance without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 When I used to manufacture my original 'Llama Bars' from solid hex I had this question asked of me very often..... ... my answer was always 'Yes, refit the stabilizer'. Some people reckoned that you could do without and the only link was something to do with the wobble in the original flimsy tracking rod was eliminated with the stronger bars removing the need for the damper. Whilst I can see that this has some mileage in it it does not offer any damping when you hit an obstacle or something snatches at the roadwheel if you have no damper fitted. Hence my choice would be to refit the steering stabilizer - or better still buy one of my new Rough Country ones I am importing from the Staes BTW my original bars are now being produced again - Mill Services purchased the lathe and the specs from me and has now got them in production, Give Richard a call on 01948.120647 David No web link 'cause my host has buggered up at moment! but still a link to my online shop.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 o0o0o pwetty hex shape ones, i need to order HD steering bars. wots stronger then Dave yours or sumos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_LLAMA4x4 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 o0o0o pwetty hex shape ones, i need to order HD steering bars. wots stronger then Dave yours or sumos? Mine aren't mine any more - sold them to Richard at Mill Services................ I never compared them to any other so I can't really comment on which is stronger. The hex bar has some distinct advantages though: You can use a spanner to adhust your tracking instead of a pair of stilsons. You can hold them with a spanner to do the locknut up tight. Should you bend one - it has been done, albeit only a little bend - you can easily straighten them by pressing them one flat at a time on a press...... David LLAMA 4x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 When I used to manufacture my original 'Llama Bars' from solid hex I had this question asked of me very often..... ... my answer was always 'Yes, refit the stabilizer'. Some people reckoned that you could do without and the only link was something to do with the wobble in the original flimsy tracking rod was eliminated with the stronger bars removing the need for the damper. Whilst I can see that this has some mileage in it it does not offer any damping when you hit an obstacle or something snatches at the roadwheel if you have no damper fitted. Hence my choice would be to refit the steering stabilizer - or better still buy one of my new Rough Country ones I am importing from the Staes BTW my original bars are now being produced again - Mill Services purchased the lathe and the specs from me and has now got them in production, Give Richard a call on 01948.120647 David No web link 'cause my host has buggered up at moment! but still a link to my online shop.... Richard told me a while back he had got the kit to make them, but did not say it was from you Dave. But back to the matter at hand. I did not have a stearing damper fitted to the 110 before the D bars and don`t have one now I have them fitted. Another thing to bear in mind is when you have the HD bars fitted something has to give some times and I have heard of TREs snaping instead of the bars bending. I have had no problems with either yet . Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 by 'yours' i included the ones Richard now makes David, as they must be the same thing pretty much. i'll ask Richard for prices then, i like the idea of hex ones as i know of several bent sumos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b101uk Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 "you dont need a steering damper, they just tend to drive better if you've got one" i would disagry with that, i dont like steering dampers on my Land Rovers, as thay take the feel out of the steering, but then i dont like PAS eather for the same resion so dont have PAS! as a land rover is not big enough to warant it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vernsdef110 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I have one of the spring assisted steering damper( return to center) from Australia on my 110. I put it on to help with the steering wheel wobble because of the big tyres. i like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeagent Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 "you dont need a steering damper, they just tend to drive better if you've got one"i would disagry with that, i dont like steering dampers on my Land Rovers, as thay take the feel out of the steering, but then i dont like PAS eather for the same resion so dont have PAS! as a land rover is not big enough to warant it. our ford KA has power steering, and that is certainly not big enough to warrant it..... just because its smaller than an artic, it doesn't mean you don't need power steering, PAS makes sense, and in most cases, so do steering dampers... the days of rod operated drum brakes, flathead V8's, starter handles and manual steering boxes all had their time, but i certainly wouldn't want to do without PAS or for that matter, a steering damper on my Disco when it is either fully laden or dragging 3 tones behind it, both of which it does regularly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warthog Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 RE: Track bar and Drag link. If you got a couple of hundred quid spare to get the tap sets (RH and LH) and a lathe to boot ? They are a piece of p!$$ to make. In pro i financing the Taps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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