Landrover17H

Someone else's rules means, our moderator considers tips for spotting fake Series Land rovers with a quick glance at the springs as irrelevant. And abhors the use of a dogberry for effect... Thus it won't be detailed here, yet look at several leafers; more so, those in showground condition - you'll soon see the differences. No matter how clean it looks, no matter what your seller or owner says, those leaf-springs will refuse to hide the fact. Once you know what you're looking for, Land rover BS gets outed in seconds. Happy hunting.

You can put leather wraps/gaiters on them, I shouldn't bother. Best left to the vintage Bentley set. Motorcycle chain-grease works well. Designed to solidify it goes in like WD40 and sets as a water-proof tar. Driven most days, stock springs are fine. It's when they're left static for a few weeks, and then only given 100 miles, that they lock together and break. 'Stickion' gives chiropractics a good living. I promise, used as intended, every few days, stock leaf-springs give a reasonable ride. If you've left them longer, run in some WD40 for kick-off, raise your backside off the seat, and hit speed-bumps at ever increasing speed. They've either move and get supple by 2000 miles, or break. Once moving... drive the thing - they'll stay supple. Leave them, and you're soon back where you started. Parabolic springs are better if you don't intend to drive anywhere, but might be rather self-defeating. Regular use, on stock springs, works best of all.

It happens in most brake threads. Snagger is clearly safe around brakes.... It ever amazes me how little effect full-time education has the working knowledge of even those you'd think would have been paying attention? As far as I can make out, save for Snagger there's little understanding of braking systems here. Force is factor of friction. Nothing else - this not opinion. It is 'Laws of Physics'. Apply more force, and we improve brakes. Removal of drums will make brakes worse. Remove force and it is required to be replaced. Discs the size of a barn-door, and 18 pot calipers painted red will make little difference where force applied remains the same. Wide tyres DO increase grip, but NOT because of the larger footprint / area per se. (look it up?). Increased pad area will NOT increase friction. Surface area is a factor of heat dispersal NOT friction. Larger disc/drum diameters DO help, but that's 'Moments of Force' and not because of area, which is where we came in. Force. If running discs,remove the stock S3 8" servo and go 10- 11" or more, or leave the things well alone. OK, back to the befuddled logic....

Ho, hum, if Plod sees it, and sends that down for vehicle inspection I'd be surprised if somebody doesn't take umbrage. They will have seen 3D printers and be less easy to impress. Someone would explain why a pedestrian already cleared for take-off over the bonnet, or looking to land down the side, needs to be swiped by that as well? Mayhaps, they'd be reading printer instruction manuals at the time? Could we expect instructions to remove sharpish? As my other post, our 15YO boy got a printer for Xmas from his mother, and welding-kit from me. Now dubbed the 'shonk-printer' he's been knocking out tosh supermarket-trolley tokens, and the irony of ironies, 3D Airfix kits... the message that finds the lot on eBay for under a tenner, seems lost.

Now that he's got going we have context to some of the hints and warning given here. We're in Bedfordshire and I can't wait to get the boy under the wing of a very kindly pro near Ampthill. Meantime he's also going in for a bit of geekdom messing with Macbook Unibody Laptops, and Linux installs, this when he's not sleeping or eating me out house and home. Then again, that's a 15YO for you, and we were much the same at his age. I'm going to set out to get some proper scrap, and now with context, take the advice. He's young enough to have time for making the odd mess, and make way for me not knowing one end of welding from the other. He'll get there.

He's running 0.8mm wire and Argon 5. He plugs on...

Oh, ah... never occurred to me. And someone said too? I thank you all very kindly for wading-in. He ground down the outer, but certainly didn't do the inner. Mind from what I could see, first welds et al, nothing much penetrated right thru' anyway. Looked more like a black 'birdsh*t washer' than any weld,? Only I'm thinking the galv would have got hot enough to atomise into the air and be toxic. If he had any effects he didn't complain. That's not to say... and it's still stupid. Seems 'Proud father' is still capable of messing this up? As I said, post lock-down I've found an old boy, a retired welder. More usually I'd have him stand over him from kick-off.

Well... finally landed some 5% CO2 and he's made his first weld. He's keen. He's been out there with scrap scaffolding poles, cutting and welding them back together. The first was more bird-sh*t than welding which is to be expected. He gets better. I'm a proud father.

I too see the pain and irritation, and somebody is going to take a hit. Yet, if there's a strong case for it being the supplier's hit over a customer's, or vice versa, I can't see it. Not really, and I do this for a living. There's no real protection and nor should there be. Often it's me that takes the fall, often it isn't. 'tis the name of the game. The difference being, customers tend to cry more.

I see it from both sides, and running a mail-order company, lock-down has both served and murdered me in equal measure. Couriers used to get signatures, now they throw it at my customer's doorstep. When customers don't get their goods, or say they don't, who carries the can? 1) Me the supplier? 2) The customer for not being in to receive? 3) The courier for not insisting on a 'coughed-on' COVID signature? You could argue this one all day, it won't end well for someone. And 'Free Delivery' is a given. In the drive to the bottom, the courier's are half the price they were 25 years ago - who can blame them as I watch things go ever worse by the week? This morning, at my account rates, I sent a large carton to Ireland for £9.62. That would have cost me £25+, 20 years ago. I don't know how they do it, seems more often they don't...

No. As for heated-screens, if it's a 'daily' I'd regard them as essential. The question left is at what point after delivery, does breakage become the buyer's responsibility? Hours?... days, weeks or years?. That's an easy one. Me? I'd say pretty damned quick.. Insurance or not, glass or not, a courier-breakage claim is going to be deemed valid at delivery, void much after. And if they can weedle out of it, they will. We all would. Insurances companies don't write cheques because we *think* we're entitled. What's needed for damage after delivery is another insurance policy. Hark your solicitor's words... What we've got here is an accidental damage/ home-contents claim. "That's £250. Now get out of my office. "

I run a coiler NRC4772 servo on 4 x Heystee discs. Mine was undriveable without, and the reason is school-boy stuff,. Friction is a factor of force not area. Without a servo to make-up the force deficit now that the self-servo effect of the drums has been removed, it can't be great. Got to give it to you, you've got balls. Force from the drums now removed, if it's an improvement, what state were the drums in!

Don't suppose it'll be subjected to MOT, hence you'll going to get away with it. Less so today, but the general view used to be that we have social-responsibility.

Well Xmas came and thanks to your help, I got him an RTech 180 MIG. Complete with RTech visor/gloves et al. I've found a just-retired welder in the next town willing to impart his knowledge for a few pennies, so the boy is set. He's just turned 15. Now to wait for COVID to die back a bit, and the lad can start lessons. Meantime, I've got to source gas. Thanks again gents.

Going into a COVID Xmas it can't be a good time to sell 17H lumps, however this just sold on eBay. Many will disagree, and time will tell, methinks someone got a bargain.

^^ Another old piccy of my set-up. ^^ The standard complaints with the leafer-heater seem to revolve around an old and restricted heater-matrix, a new one helps a lot. Made worse by the asthmatic airflow. The coiler set-up goes some way to solving this, yet LR heaters still aren't famous for their grunt. There's two types of coiler heater-matrix. Be sure to fit the straight-pipe variant. Bit warm for August Bank Holiday...

Then there's this... they used to do a RHD.

To get round moving enough air, on the stock housing I bodged in an inline bilge-blower. I posted this solution to forums back in the day, and it seems others have followed in my footsteps. It was OKish, but as said, even a new unclogged S3 matrix will solve a lot of the problems. S2 or S3 Kodiak or Mansfield heaters are rather dear but brilliant. A coiler heater is the best 'cheapish' way to go. Now, rumour has it, much more coiler stuff thrown on, and I'm set to develop a healthy interest in show-tunes.

Seen being sold on eBay, what this is was never revealed.

It's a lot of pain but I put a RHD coiler unit in, this tied to a LHD venturi. Thus, with yet more messing, it's possible to link up the S3 inlet. But as I said, a lot of pain. Too cold to go out there now for pix, but here's an old snap that gives a clue.

Go G20, I did. I'm afraid peak LPG came and went 15 years back, factory-fit stuff was made by Ford. Vauxhall, Volvo etc - filling was fairly abundant. These days because electric is not viable for anything heavy, the HGV boyz are looking for green points. The bigger operators run LNG etc and LPG is set to fade. Led by taxation changes, LPG was killed by deseasel. I ran LPG for a while, but lucked upon an ice-rink Zamboni and then looked to the larger fork-lift fleets. These don't run LPG for very clear reasons. Like me, they use their piped-in gas supplies. I converted and I've never looked-back. The rest is history. Piped into my home I've been running natural-gas for nearer 15 years, the outlay and learning-curve is very steep, and you're be on a heap of US, Indian, German and Italian forums to pick it up, but if you're intending to drive the thing... I'll never grasp why anyone shouldn't, but that's me. Yes you could go the other way, plumb a LPG bulk-tank but I wouldn't. Flogas Calor etc will crucify you in a bleed-you-dry contract. You'd still need a pump anyway, this to push the liquid to your vehicle tank. These pumps are not cheap. As an aside, I was forced to heat my [off-grid] home with a bulk-tank. It's 'orrible. They have you by the balls, and will squeeeeeze. Pay or freeze. Nope, don't do it... The stereotype, doing 1500 miles a year, is an LR parked in sight of a white-plastic Disneyland front door. Spattered in juvenile shonk, he's thinking instant-gratification, thus 1500 miles this year instead of 50,000 in 5 years. Our friend is certainly not thinking in terms of the fuel bill for a motoring-lifetime. Hence, this bigger-game solution won't suit the majority. NG plays long-game, and yes, the outlay and learning-curve is very steep. Very steep. But you'll never regret it. In this country for reasons I can't truly grasp, the UK has an anti on NG, it's over-looked. It's not Guardian-reader like say, electric. Greta Thunberg is their Joan of Arc and she's won't be a fan. But for me, yup... G20 it is. I've just noticed that my left-field posts are now under moderation, hence this will likely be my last. Good luck.

Well there's a thing. I don't under-estimate the skill needed to knock-up your own extractor zhorst, and you've done this. For the mere mortals, I'd advise to knock on ACR's door and pay thru' the nose a little for Roland's new S/S bits and cam. The cam definitely, and it sells for £200 odd - which is cheap. But don't let me stop you.

Been down this road, this may help: https://forums.lr4x4.com/topic/107805-s2-hinge-door-mirrors-for-the-classic-look/

The issue is door-mirrors with S2 hinges, or not. Unless you run wing-mirrors, you're in for some messing. S3 part MRC4583 can be made to fit, as can coiler type mirrors. But it takes some searching, adaptors and/or the original S2 part MRC56. MRC56 is made of unobtainium. You'll be wanting brackets 347704 347705 too. And don't even mention the price of the milly version of S2 hinges (with integral mirror-mount). last I looked £300 a set!