Bogbuster, back to your original point, I think the Black Rat is a copy of the Tirfor TS16, most probably made in China, I've seen several similar "badged " versions of this, several of the big 4X4 stores that advertise in the Aussie mags have their own colored copies. I've not heard anything too detrimental about them but one of the large suppliers to industry in NZ stopped carrying one of these copies because of hassles they'd had with them, they now carry the other one, same as the Lifting & Crane one. I'm not saying that all the copies came from the same source but I believe that the Black Rat is a painted version of the Beaver Tuff Pull which in its earlier incarnation was the one that caused hassles. As always, stand to be corrected on this. Cheers, Steve.