Guest MJG Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Posting in here as I got some superb info. (cheers Glen) on the regs associated with restoring a series III in the series forum but didn't get any info. on as to where you would buy such a restored vehicle from. Further info. required please.:- Original post:- In a few months I will be coming up to the time to change my vehicle. I've considered a number of options but am seriously thinking about the following:- Fully restored Series III fitted with the following:- - Defender front and rear wings with wheel arch flares. - Fully reconditioned 200tdi engine (300tdi if one will fit) - if I go this way is it really only possible to wear the intercooler on the outside???. - Fully reconditioned gear & transfer box (advice on types would be appreciated) - Fully galvanised chassis. - Coil springs. Edited to say woops!! the one refered to in the mag below I note retains it'd leaf springs. - Modular rims with 'ALL' terrain tyres - will be used for greenlaning and not much else off road activity. I will want a number of other mods including a fully trimmed interior, 2 forward facing rear seats, defender door mirrors, rear wheel carrier, side steps, CB etc etc but in the main I need to know who people think would be best to trust this purchase to. The bit of research I've done has unearthered the following:- http://www.liveridge4x4.com/home/default.asp Any body used them??? or would anybody care to speak up in favour of another company that could do this. Thanks in anticipation...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Fully reconditioned 200tdi engine (300tdi if one will fit) - if I go this way is it really only possible to wear the intercooler on the outside???. the intercooler if keeping the Series front panel could fit in front of the radiator or modify it to fit as per Les Henson's series vehicle 'Catflap2' he did a thread on how he moded/fitted the intercooler [my old 200TDi one] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diesel_jim Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Posting in here as I got some superb info. (cheers Glen) on the regs associated with restoring a series III in the series forum but didn't get any info. on as to where you would buy such a restored vehicle from. Further info. required please.:-Original post:- In a few months I will be coming up to the time to change my vehicle. I've considered a number of options but am seriously thinking about the following:- Fully restored Series III fitted with the following:- - Defender front and rear wings with wheel arch flares. - Fully reconditioned 200tdi engine (300tdi if one will fit) - if I go this way is it really only possible to wear the intercooler on the outside???. - Fully reconditioned gear & transfer box (advice on types would be appreciated) - Fully galvanised chassis. - Coil springs. Edited to say woops!! the one refered to in the mag below I note retains it'd leaf springs. - Modular rims with 'ALL' terrain tyres - will be used for greenlaning and not much else off road activity. I will want a number of other mods including a fully trimmed interior, 2 forward facing rear seats, defender door mirrors, rear wheel carrier, side steps, CB etc etc I'm not knocking your choice, each to their own and all that, but surely you might as well just get a 90? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 The amount that'll cost (esp. to pay someone to build it) you could buy a very nice 90. Obviously a Series would be cooler though B) A few questions / thoughts: Fully restored Series III - you're staring down almost £4k there for starters unless you get lucky on eBay Defender front and rear wings with wheel arch flares. - Why? What's wrong with Series arches with flares (either Series or Defender flares)? If you want the recessed front I would expect you'll need Series front wings anyway. Fully reconditioned 200tdi engine (300tdi if one will fit) - For the money couldn't you find a more interesting engine, you could almost crate an LS-1 over here for the amount you'll pay for a properly reconned TDi. Fully reconditioned gear & transfer box (advice on types would be appreciated) - May as well be R380 + LT230 if you're sticking with a LR lump, if not then whatever goes best with the LS-1 Coil springs. - So either a hell of a lot of work, or coiler axles, steering, etc... Fully galvanised chassis. - Unless you get lucky with the base vehicle you're going to rip a restored Series apart and spend a further £1-2k getting that done. Even if you do get lucky with the base vehicle you're then into chopping a galv chassis about to fit coils, or removing one galv chassis to replace with another. I guess you'll want PAS and disc brakes too, so more chassis mods for the PAS. For the money you could buy a new one of everything off the shelf, build it up (or pay someone) and end up on an '07 plate after a quick trip to the SVA. Or you could buy a very good defender, move the drivetrain back a bit and bolt a Series front on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MJG Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Thanks for the input thus far. Yes a 90 is a poss. too I agree. But indeed 'cool' (and the retro look) of a series 3 is really what I am after. Really want the 'stepped back' grille and the split screen. Hadn't appreciated I would be able to get the flared arches on a series 3 - defo something to think about, thanks for that. Springs - parabolic leaf springs have been suggested elsewhere as an alternative to coils so that will make things easier. Engine - Apols not sure what an LS1 is. I do want to keep the running gear LR tough hence the 2/300 tdi route. Brakes - would be happy with drums if that makes thing easier and cheaper. Steering - yes PAS would be good. I am prepeared to pay a reasonable (but not unlimited) ammount for the right vehicle. if I go this route it will be with me for many years, potentially in the future as a second vehicle - for a number of years in the meantime though it will be my daily drive. I'm not saying cost is not a concern, of course it is - I am just keen to get something much less run 'o' the mill than what I currently drive and something I can do some easy off roading with. I would have an 04 Toyota Corolla t-sport to dispose of to resouce all if not a big lump of the project so that is going to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrode Finger Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think that this is a potentially good idea, its something i would like the chance to do with an old car, say a Series 1 Jag XJ6, but hey life and practicalities of expectations from employers giving me the chance prevent it. I think that the best thing for you to do is search some or all of the Land Rover Mags(poss dirty words to some) and find a specialist restorer or completed restoration to get the best(within budgets) base vehicle, to carry out the modifications to your preference. Its a catch 22, but you need to buy a good truck to mod for this, as you will spend forever getting it too that point, and buying one that is a top notch resto will be cheaper than doing it yourself, its the famous adage that you spend more than you recoup, so the 'new' owner gets alot of hours of work without paying for it. You kinda need that archetypal old boy duffer resto, who did it for love, you might also find the 'right' truck by looking at Series Owners clubs websites etc, they attract the sort of people who prefer to treat a Landy as a proper resto, rather than a base to mod from. Do some research first, then you might get what you really want, before committing yourself. I expect others will be along to say otherwise, but i hope this is of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hiatt Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 If they are looking at £8,500 for a refurb plus base vehicle I would buy a new Defender and age it. I'm sure your total cost of ownership would be less. As was mentioned on the last thread the depreciation would be horrendous if you had to sell a refurb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 So what you really want is Daan's truck minus the Simex Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 So what you really want is Daan's truck minus the Simex Lewis It looks basically that way. Good to see someone shares my tast in landys! Mine is a shortened 90 chassis with disco axles, 300 tdi engine, box and steering. the chassis is galvanised, all mechanicals rebuilt or new. It has been very much what I wanted, but at an expense: money wise its on the wrong side of 10 K, but with a brandspanking new engine, ashcroft box, detroits, ashcroft shafts, kam c/p, roll cage, simex you could say its good value. I wont get that money back I dont think, a S3 will never catch anywhere near as much as a defender. Having said that, it took me 4 years to create as a background project. The reason for doing it was that I needed a 90 really, which in reality meant getting shot of the s3. I decided to keep it, its my first car ever, had it since I was 17 making it 16 years of ownership. I learnt an awfull lot from it and mostly enjoyed building it. But I would not recommend going for it if you are not able to do it yourself. Paying someone else for it is going to cost you more than buying a new or nearly new 90 TD5 I think. You see, the plan was to spend 5K in one year and be done with it; the end result was 10 K and 4 years. Most people get shot of it way before that ( I reckon 50%-75% gets sold on as unfinished project) so it really can be hard work at times. Regrets? surely not. Would I ever do it again? No. Daan Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 a S3 will never catch anywhere near as much as a defender. Don't belive it - you can buy a defender (admittedly a ratty one) for less than a Series in similar condition. I don't know why but the prices on the net and in the mags seem to say that people are willing to pay more for a bit of character (damn right too I say ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landmannnn Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Liveridge. I have seen some good work from them on the SIII. Not so convinced about the 90's though, once the tin worm sets in on those it will always break back through. Where to get one - as DAAN says most restorers sell up before they have finished - you should be able to pick up an unfinished bargain, I did! Try some classified ads listing what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MJG Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Paying someone else for it is going to cost you more than buying a new or nearly new 90 TD5 I think.Daan Not quite..... bang on to Liveridge who emailed me back within 48 hours and also left a message on my answerphone for me to ring them to discuss my requirements. The estimate of supplying a vehicle to my spec is between £10K to £12k, which if at the high end of what I was expecting I don't think is too bad. Downside is that it will take 8 months!! to supply. I am ringing them back on Saturday to confirm the exact spec. and a quoted price which will be valid for three months apparently. Pretty sure a new 90 td5 (which I don't want anyway) is way more than this...... After I confirm the exact spec and price I will post back. PS anybody want a 2004 Toyota Corolla t-sport, 24k recorded miles, warranty till June 07, taxed till July 07, Full main dealer service history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroverextreme Posted March 11, 2007 Share Posted March 11, 2007 Hello, just to give you an idea of a Series III restoration you can see what I have done with mine on his site: http://landroverextreme.googlepages.com Tell me what you think of it. Thank you, Filipe Rocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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