headhunter Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Just received this email from the european suppliers of TGV International engines who supplied and sponsored a team in the DAKAR John THEY MADE IT RAOUL AND JEAN PIERRE JACOBS FIRST IN T1 DIESEL WITH THE 2.8 TGV CONGRATULATIONS Le Dakar is finished and the 2.8 performed great. Finished first in the T1 diesel ranking, ( T1 is the amateur class) and 32nd overall. (out of 240 ) We are happy they made it and impressed that our engine could compete with the big V8’s, TD5, TD6 and so on. Many pictures on the websites www.dakar2006.nl (sorry, only Dutch) and www.landrovermotor.com (both English and Dutch) Regards Johan Ipenburg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michele Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Just received this email from the european suppliers of TGV International engines While I got this today from Stephen Cahill via the m-list... Hello allThought I would pass on this information.Beside the site mentioned below there are torrents of the race in English on the net. Search torrentbox.comfor Dakar to find them. Begin quote The Dakar rally is finished today. The 2.8TGV Bowler ended FIRST in the amateur diesel class !!! and 32nd overall. Although a Dutch website, you can find many, many pictures of the Bowler in action on www.dakar2006.nl For us also it was an experiment how the 2.8 would perform and do in the toughest rally of the world. Now, we can say this engine did great. Also remember the engine was tuned to 170 Hp and 420 NM without giving any problems for almost 10.000 km in though conditions. Believe me, the drivers didn't treat the engine in a gentle way. End quote Happy dieseling -- Stephen Cahill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I take it that this was the Bowler at Billing with the TGV lump and the full Reiger shock and spring set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 I wonder if they had an uprated clutch? There have been a few problems clutch wise with these engines. I will ask and report back. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 well... the Dutch text says in the first lines: "This is the day I have been dreaming of for years. we gather with a 60-odd remaining rally cars and are standing - with a new clutch - in a row on top of a dune, watching the motorcycles start." Guess they just kept on changing clutches... To their surprise they won though. They say that they did not know until their names were announced ad T1-Diesel class winners, and 3rd in rookie of the year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 well... the Dutch text says in the first lines:"This is the day I have been dreaming of for years. we gather with a 60-odd remaining rally cars and are standing - with a new clutch - in a row on top of a dune, watching the motorcycles start." Guess they just kept on changing clutches... To their surprise they won though. They say that they did not know until their names were announced ad T1-Diesel class winners, and 3rd in rookie of the year... You have to say fair play lads that is a monster of a rally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daan Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I read the dutch story on a daily basis and they did have problems with the clutch. one day they started without a functining clutch and drove like this through the dunes as well, getting stuck very badly. The clutchplate got bend and could not disengage. Wonder what that startermotor looked like... Just before the finish of this stage it was the gearbox which gave up i think. they got a tow from a truck to the service park. Later they lost drive again which was the clutch once again. It seems the landrover transmission isnt really designed for a tuned TGV. Daan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainspotter Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I could have done the same job in my old 200tdi Disco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 How would a V8 ZF auto box cope with one of these engines? No clutch problems or would it cause the next weakest component to break? I have read on one of the websites that this engine is good to replace a V8 auto as it has the low down torque to work the gearbox well, is this true or would the 300tdi auto box work better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I'm sure Mr Warne will be along in a minute to tell you. Or read from his book of off-roading excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_warne Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 It seems the landrover transmission isnt really designed for a tuned TGV.Daan In a word, NO! Fridge was quite right, an R380 has to be well sorted to last long behind any TGV let alone a tuned one. You really need a TVR spec R380 with a paddle clutch. As far as autoboxes go, I wouldn't run a TGV behind a standard ZF4 if you're going to tune it or use it hard off road; your VERY close to the design limits of the box. Making an autobox reliable with the torque figures involed isn't easy either; a tuned TGV should push out over 350lb/ft of torque. I run a Tdi ZF4 that's been slightly breathed on by Ashcroft transmissions The V8 autoboxes can be made to go behind TGVs but I don't see the point; its not really any cheaper and not all V8 boxes are the same (a 3.5 box is best to get the shift points right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylandy Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 andy at allisport tuned that car and provided a intercooler all that power was produced with a 38mm restritor i went to the dakar first two stages and cheared the boys on i have the same engine in my landy which we won our class in the rfc last year the landy has done 1200 miles since install of the enigine and it has more P & T than the bowler as for the gear box ashcroft will be building a auto for it as the R380 is not up to the job at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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