discojmz Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ive searched the tech archive but couldnt find anything particularly enlightening except a couple of individual posts that confused me a bit more. due to a problem with low power and a touch of smoke when cold, Im intrigued to see if advancing my timing has retarded somewhat or rather requires advancing anyway. or even resetting it if that is what it requires. could someone please explain exactly what I need to do. hopefully I can achieve this by only removing the pump sprocket cover rather than the whole timing case front? or if this has been covered in detail before, a link would be most appreciated. many thanks in advance Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 You can advance/retard the timing slightly on a 200TDI. You only need to remove the small cover to expose the gear. Place the 9.5mm pin in the hole and lock off the FIP gear. You can then undo the 3 bolts and very slightly rotate the crank in the desired direction. Tighten the 3 bolts, remove pin and then start the engine. Hopefully that'll cover it. You can only advance/retard about 1/2 tooth of the belt, so not that much but enough to make a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discojmz Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 thanks a lot! can anyone remember which way to turn the crank to retard or advance? (when facing the crank pulley) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluespanner Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Think about it - if you turn the crank clockwise, the pump gets behind, so it is retarded. If you turn the crank backwards, the pump gets ahead of where it was and is so advanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Just had to do exactly the same thing after an engine rebuild and a few problems. In my case, rotating the crank anti-clockwise has made it go a lot better. I think I need to do a bit more fine tuning, but I can at least get to 60 now!!! When I turned the crank clockwise, the engine wouldn't start at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I can't believe that after all these years of talking drivel I'm actualy starting to talk sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I can't believe that after all these years of talking drivel I'm actualy starting to talk sense Notice, however, that no-one actually said that you were right.......we've learnt that it goes to your head and you get all carried away Now, about that tea and toast!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I can't believe that after all these years of talking drivel I'm actualy starting to talk sense I cannot believe that, of all people, you are offering advice about adjusting FIP timing! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WALFY Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Learning from mistakes in an art. Is the info correct?? I rest my case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaco1 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You can advance/retard the timing slightly on a 200TDI. You only need to remove the small cover to expose the gear. Place the 9.5mm pin in the hole and lock off the FIP gear. You can then undo the 3 bolts and very slightly rotate the crank in the desired direction. Tighten the 3 bolts, remove pin and then start the engine. Hopefully that'll cover it. You can only advance/retard about 1/2 tooth of the belt, so not that much but enough to make a difference I just need a little bit of a clarification on this. Do you fully remove the 3 bolts or just loosen them? And I assume the FIP locking pin stays in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBMUD Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hi I doubt that Walfy will be back to reply any time soon, so for clarity, you only need to loosen the three bolts as the holes are slotted allowing the adjustment to be made prior to doing the bolts back up tight once the timing is set correctly. HTH Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I just need a little bit of a clarification on this. Do you fully remove the 3 bolts or just loosen them? And I assume the FIP locking pin stays in place? just loosen them just enough so the pulley can move. timing pin stays in & rotate the crank pulley to tweak the FIP pulley, then retighten the 3 bolts, remove timing pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomaco1 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thanks, Did it last night, huge improvement. Smoke is gone and goes a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeerover Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Does someone know how to set the timing correct with a gauge? Does someone has the correct bosch data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 suspect a BOSCH FIP specialist would have a timing gauge [if one exist] to set the FIP up, it's a rotary pump, so no lift to set, that's done with a cam & roller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
integerspin Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I thought it was the same pump as the Montego pump? I knocked up a gauge. You time the Montegos to 50 thou lift, the book should have the figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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