Ben Jordan Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 That seems very straight forward. so i need, 1x lift pump 1x gasket 2x nuts 2x olives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Has anybody got a pic of the other type of lift pump so i know which one i dont want when i go to mm 4x4 tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Has anybody got a pic of the other type of lift pump so i know which one i dont want when i go to mm 4x4 tomorrow. The other lift pump has the 2 pipe connectors on the top plate of the pump & fits in a similar way to the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Is the lift pump before or after the filter? When i was cold and tired last night after changing the water pump on a Seicento, whilst undoing the pipes i thought it wont be a problem to sort out which ones which, but now it is. Oh on testing the original lift pump it seems to work, but im not sure how hard it's meant to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Is the lift pump before or after the filter? When i was cold and tired last night after changing the water pump on a Seicento, whilst undoing the pipes i thought it wont be a problem to sort out which ones which, but now it is.Oh on testing the original lift pump it seems to work, but im not sure how hard it's meant to suck. Fuel from tank into lift pump out to filter then to injection pump otherwise you'll have unfiltered fuel going into the injection pump not a good idea your 300 filter will be similar connections to my 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Thanks Western, but when i went back i worked it out fom the flow arrows marked on everything (for idiots like me ) As suspected the original lift pump was not faulty. It has started it's not stopping when the ignition is switched off. So the fuel stop regulator is the next thing to be replaced. after changing the lift pump i noticed a bolt or similar on the injector pump was pushing out diesel. Its the triangle shape bolt on the side of the injector pump. Not sure if was leaking before i replaced the lift pump but i dont think it was. Does anybody know whats behind it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I've no idea whats behind that bolt, so don't try to remove it, it'll most likely damage the pump, if possible take the vehicle to a diesel specialist [bosch agent] & ask them. glad you worked out the fuel flow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 if possible take the vehicle to a diesel specialist [bosch agent] & ask them. Thats my plan we have one down the road. i will see if they can change the fuel stop solenoid at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Thats my plan we have one down the road. i will see if they can change the fuel stop solenoid at the same time. Good plan Ben hope it's not serious a pump rebuild is about 400 quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Sorry to jump in so late, but I had a similar problem with my 300tdi a couple of years ago. After draining the sedimentor and changing the filter, the engine would idle, but no more. If the throttle was depressed the engine would stall. After hours of mucking about getting covered in diesel I found that the plastic plug on the sedimentor was not tight enough and was letting in some air. I was scared to tighten the thing up in case it broke off. Since then I have not touched it, dismantling the sedimentor instead to clean it as suggested by Steve. A mate has given me a spare plastic plug and I am meaning to take it to a good nut and bolt place to find out what the thread is and replace it with a S/S item if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Jim, IIRC, the plug is 5/16 UNC. I have a 5/16 stainless socket head cap screw in mine (just 'cause I had it sitting on the shelf). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Do fuel injection pumps fail very often on 300tdi's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Do fuel injection pumps fail very often on 300tdi's? Not very often at all IMHO. I know of a couple here where the stop solenoid thing has broken and jammed up the pump so it either wouldn't stop or wouldn't start, and perhaps a couple of others where the pumps have just expired for no particular reason (fuelling all to cock, impossible starting etc), but it certainly isn't a common problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 I have just been down to the Bosch agent and explained the symptoms of the wolf and he said the fuel stop solenoid doesn't normally break. Apparently the case hardening on the inside of the fuel injection pump breaks off and floats around the inside of the pump messing it up. And the fuel stop solenoid is an electromagnet, which attracts these parts of metal jamming it in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white90 Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 your agent is a DOOM monger IMHO take the diaphram cover off and lift the diaphram out if there is rust in there the case hardening may have been affected by water ingress, Far more likely is: Fuel Filter air filter intercooler hoses block fuel lin/spill return obstruction in the fuel tank Exmoor Beast dropped a redex cap liner in his tank and sufferd for ages of a 110 dying then being ok I doubt the Lift pump will give the probs you mention as the injection pump draws the fuel past it to run.mine had a dead pump for 6months I only found out whn I serviced it for a 2nd time a genuine lift pump is available for £35ish from Buckley brothers(in the mags) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 I have just been down to the Bosch agent and explained the symptoms of the wolf and he said the fuel stop solenoid doesn't normally break. Apparently the case hardening on the inside of the fuel injection pump breaks off and floats around the inside of the pump messing it up. And the fuel stop solenoid is an electromagnet, which attracts these parts of metal jamming it in the process. that happened to my 200Tdi, it's been fine after a rebuild with the later improved parts, you could remove the soleniod to see if there is any swarf in there amming it, 24mm open end spanner iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 that happened to my 200Tdi, it's been fine after a rebuild with the later improved parts, How much was the rebuild? Does anybody know how much a recon. fuel injection pump is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 How much was the rebuild?Does anybody know how much a recon. fuel injection pump is? Are you sitting down ? ----- £400 that included all parts/labour/vat a reconditioned injection pump for your 300Tdi will be around £700 plus vat and any exchange surcharge from LR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted January 27, 2006 Author Share Posted January 27, 2006 Are you sitting down ? ----- £400 that included all parts/labour/vat Thats about what i am expecting but if it gets it running again it worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I have visited the Wolf today and seen the fuel injection pump in pieces on the bench, its good news and bad news. The pump looks absolutely brand spanking new on the inside with no signs of wear. He even tested the fuel stop solenoid whilst i was there and that is okay. So he has got to put the pump back together, test it and fit it back on the Wolf. He has then got to look for the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Thats a bugger in some respects i guess. did you try the other fuel tank in the end? any difference? what happens if you run the engine with the pipe tank into a jerry can of diesel as the source (leak off still to old tank), obviosuly you can only try it stationary, but need to eliminate the fuel supply area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I did try the other tank but it was still the same. At least it will not be a rebuilt/recon injector pump at £400-£600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 Have just had the garage on the phone and the fuel pump tested okay after being rebuilt. They have put a clear pipe in the system before the lift pump. The Wolf is sucking more air than fuel, so its now a case of tracking down the leak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Jim, IIRC, the plug is 5/16 UNC.I have a 5/16 stainless socket head cap screw in mine (just 'cause I had it sitting on the shelf). Thanks. I'll have to go to a decent nut and bolt place then for one of those. All the stuff I have is metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Jordan Posted February 13, 2006 Author Share Posted February 13, 2006 The cause of all my problems Sorry about the carp photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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