Macker Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 So I have a rusted out RHD 1981 Series III that I'm rebuilding, and switching to LHD in the process. I obtained a rust free series 2 chassis and am doing the swap. My series has a 200tdi from a defender with power steering. I'm trying to retain the origional LHD steering box on my Series 2 frame. (for now) My question is this: is there an easy way to bypass the power steering? Possibly either by leaving the pump, or removing it? Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 You would have to remove the pump and then blank off any remaining pipework. The steering box still has to be lubricated by the oil, but it will squirt out as you turn the steering. Not sure how you will get round that. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 If it's a Defender 200Tdi just remove the PAS belt, as that's all that one drives? Just leave the Series steering box/relay etc as they all are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 just remove the pump from the PAS/Alternator bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Removing the belt would be the obvious way to do it - there would still be fluid in the system and it would still be in effect sealed, so no fluid loss and still lubrication in the box. If you 'just remove the pump from the PAS/altermator bracket, you would presumably have to tie it somehwere out of the way if you are going to leave it connected to the rest of the system, or have the lubrication/fluid loss problems as I already said if you remove it completely. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 I thought he said he was going to use the Series 2 steering system Les? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 LOL! Donut moment Seperate belt for the PAS - remove it and/or the pump/reservoir, etc. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macker Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 It seems the belt needs stay there to power the alternator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 3, 2010 Share Posted May 3, 2010 It seems the belt needs stay there to power the alternator? a 200tdi from a defender with power steering the alternator is driven by the same belt as the water pump, PAS is totally seperate belt on a Def spec 200Tdi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macker Posted May 3, 2010 Author Share Posted May 3, 2010 the alternator is driven by the same belt as the water pump, PAS is totally seperate belt on a Def spec 200Tdi. I must be confused then. Perhaps I have a discovery 200tdi with a defender exhaust manifold? As you can see the alternator is driven off the PAS. Any easy way around this? I've read of others using an alternator pulley off a different vehicle, and getting a new belt to run the water pump and alternator off the same belt? Thanks for the help, sorry for the confustion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ok, that's odd - the alternator shouldn't be there - that's where the Air Con Compressor would be. The alternator should be on the right - above the PAS pump. Someone has moved it for some reaon. It looks like the inlet manifold has been blanked-off - what's that white patch above the PAS pump? Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macker Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 Ok, that's odd - the alternator shouldn't be there - that's where the Air Con Compressor would be. The alternator should be on the right - above the PAS pump. Someone has moved it for some reaon. It looks like the inlet manifold has been blanked-off - what's that white patch above the PAS pump? Les. The white patch is just covering up the manifold inlet since the intercooler and piping is out. Not exactly sure why it was done this way either lol, or what the best solution is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 You're right, Macker. That's a Discovery engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 This is what the stadard set-up on 200TDi Disco should be. I guess yours has been altered because of the different turbo position. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macker Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 thanks for the help guys. I suspect I'll be doing a power steering conversion here in the future, maybe i'll leave the pump for now . I'm wondering if it would hurt anything to blank off the power steering fluid line and just leave what fluid is in the pump? My intercooler as it is right now would have to be re routed if I used the stock Series 2 steering box, so if I did a LHD PAS conversion with a Saginaw box which would be relatively easy and cheap to do here, that would mean I would have less headaches to deal with the intercooler placement and piping as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterW Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 thanks for the help guys. I suspect I'll be doing a power steering conversion here in the future, maybe i'll leave the pump for now . I'm wondering if it would hurt anything to blank off the power steering fluid line and just leave what fluid is in the pump? My intercooler as it is right now would have to be re routed if I used the stock Series 2 steering box, so if I did a LHD PAS conversion with a Saginaw box which would be relatively easy and cheap to do here, that would mean I would have less headaches to deal with the intercooler placement and piping as well. If you want it, I've got the power steering/alternator mount off a discovery that you can have for the postage. It will allow you to fit the pump/alternator in the proper place Cheers Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errol209 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 I'm wondering if it would hurt anything to blank off the power steering fluid line and just leave what fluid is in the pump? If you don't give the pump somewhere to send the fluid to you won't do the pump any good and the little bit of fluid will get hot. A temporary fix might be connect the outlet ond inlet together via a loop of pipe, but you'd be pumping stuff for no reason. Might be easier in the long run to whip the pump off and shift things about, and then re-arrange it again when the time comes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the real muddy90 Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 Has someone already modified the engine to fit in a series chassis???? I know room is limited on that side so might explain the setup. My 200 defender has one belt that does the alt & water pump & the pas pump has its own. Do you realy need the intercooler?? Or the turbo for that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macker Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 If you want it, I've got the power steering/alternator mount off a discovery that you can have for the postage. It will allow you to fit the pump/alternator in the proper place Cheers Pete Thanks, I'll let you know if I'll end up needing it. If you don't give the pump somewhere to send the fluid to you won't do the pump any good and the little bit of fluid will get hot. A temporary fix might be connect the outlet ond inlet together via a loop of pipe, but you'd be pumping stuff for no reason. Might be easier in the long run to whip the pump off and shift things about, and then re-arrange it again when the time comes? I was thinking along the same lines, I assumed that the small amount of fluid would become too hot, so I thought about maybe completing the loop with the origional reservoir or something like that. Has someone already modified the engine to fit in a series chassis???? I know room is limited on that side so might explain the setup. My 200 defender has one belt that does the alt & water pump & the pas pump has its own. Do you realy need the intercooler?? Or the turbo for that matter I'm taking the 200tdi out of my series III chassis and and putting it in my series II chassis. The only modifications I will do besides figuring out this PAS issue was to make a new motor mount for the (UK) drivers side. And I don't "need" the turbo, but I got used to the increase of power from it, and would like to retain it. I'd like to be able to drive it most days and maintain freeway speeds/ability to pass. And as far as the intercooler goes, It won't be a hardcore wheeler, it will be mostly a daily driver and weekend wheeler, so I'd personally enjoy the "free" extra power of the cooler inlet temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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