Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hi Folks , I'm nearly finished converting a 130 chassis cab over to 130 tipper with full height toolbox between the bed and cab.I'm a tree surgeon.Anyway this evening I went to do a bit of work on the rear cross member mounting some lights. I went to turn the vehicle lights on which I did.I was going to be a while , so 'didnt want the battery running down too much so decided reach in and start it and then set the revs on the hand throttle.Thing is it was still in gear.I dont know whether it was in first or reverse as it happened so quick. I don't know what I've done to the gearbox (I presume) but gear selection now is a mess.Without the clutch depressed I can sweep the gearstick right across from 1 st thru 3rd and across to 5th with no resistance.The same but a little resistance at each gear position across from 2nd thru 4th and across to Reverse.The gearstick won't stay locked in any position ie it returns to neutral . I can occasionally get some forward movement , feels like second gear even though I'm holding the stick in 1st , 3rd 4 th etc I'm stumped , anyone got any ideas ? Cheers , D 1996 300 TDi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmasherWebbs Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Was there any grinding or bangs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Starting it in gear should not effect the gear box, it might not do he starter motor any good though. I would start it in neutral and then see how the box performs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Was there any grinding or bangs? Smasher , I might have heard a crack but the door pillar/quarter light gave me a smack on the head as the vehicle lurched.So I was seeing stars for a sec or two. Starting it in gear should not effect the gear box, it might not do he starter motor any good though. I would start it in neutral and then see how the box performs. Hi Frax , I did just that(see above) and I can engage a gear , which gear it is I dont know , feels like second . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 How does the clutch feel? Does it feel like it's working? any unusual noises? Might be worth draining the gearbox and see what comes out? Drain through an old sieve or something to catch any bits, if you find any post some pics and someone will probably be able to identify them ... although if anything big enough to identify comes out it's probably rebuild time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reb78 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Are you sure it hasnt been knocked into neutral on the transfer box? I can run mine through the gears without the clutch and with the engine running when the TXB is in neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Clutch pressure feels fine , depress and returns as normal , no noises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Are you sure it hasnt been knocked into neutral on the transfer box? I can run mine through the gears without the clutch and with the engine running when the TXB is in neutral. Hi Reb , pretty sure it hasn't.The one gear that sometimes works is evident in both high and lo box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 As said check the Transfer box gear stick, I can not see that anything you have done would effect the gear box in any way. Make sure the Transfer box gear stick is OK and making good contact. You could I suppose have knocked a linkage from this stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 I'll do that tomorrow after work Frax , I'll lift off the tunnel and have a good gander , thanks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 ..... The gearstick won't stay locked in any position ie it returns to neutral . ...... Surely if it won't stay in gear the transfer box is too far along the line to be looking? I'd have thought it would have to be a clutch or gearbox problem, more likely gearbox. Although you would have to be very unlucky to damage either with what you have described Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Are you sure it hasnt been knocked into neutral on the transfer box? I can run mine through the gears without the clutch and with the engine running when the TXB is in neutral. Sorry meant to say when I run the gears through its a continuos sweep from left to right and vice versa without back down to neutral and up to each gear positionif I'm explaining it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I would agree but why would it happen by turning the started with it in gear, (That I don't understand) My thought is that if say the Transfer box was knocked into low it may give the feeling of being in second gear. That is why I would check that - I know my Transfer box feels a bit mussy when trying to find a gear and I know that the linkages can also get loose and the top shuttle stiff if not used. Easy check which is worth doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Surely if it won't stay in gear the transfer box is too far along the line to be looking? I'd have thought it would have to be a clutch or gearbox problem, more likely gearbox. Although you would have to be very unlucky to damage either with what you have described If the transfer box is in neutral does the main gearstick remain in the gear selected position.AS far as I can remember it does , no ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Yes it should, but my point being is it in gear and which gear is it in. You can always check through the transfer box with it running and see if it makes any differences to the gear you think you are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Ok I get ye , I'll give it a blast tomorrow eve.I'd try it now but the shed is a kilometre walk up the lane .I'll post back , thanks for the suggestions fellas ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frax Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Is there any lift in the gear stick, can you move it up and down in the housing. I have never had a box apart but just wondered if the stick had dislodged from its socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Sorry meant to say when I run the gears through its a continuos sweep from left to right and vice versa without back down to neutral and up to each gear positionif I'm explaining it properly. Is it possible something in here has been damaged/dislodged? or maybe the screw here has come loose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSD Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Gearchange yoke free on the selector shaft? Isn't it only locked in place with one grubscrew? I remember something similar happening on an LT77 but it was a long time back. Edit : Wabbit beat me to it! Edited February 13, 2012 by TSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent nomad Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 If you started it up in gear and then realized, so you would try and pull the gear stick back into neutral without depressing the clutch this would be hard to do as it is driving on the gear teeth and would require a fair bit of effort, as you are doing this you also get hit on the head, so everything is a little blurred, the possible result is you have pulled the gear stick linkage apart enough for it to flop around and only find one gear. So the repair could be re adjust the linkage and it's all ok. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmasherWebbs Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I would agree with Paul there. Normally you would expect to hear gears grinding when trying to find gears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimaquinas Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 hi maybe it has sheard the centre of the clutch plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmgemini Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 First page. Item 22. Is that a plastic thing ? I had something like that break in a gearbox of mine. All I had was a box full of neutrals..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wex Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share Posted February 14, 2012 Is it possible something in here has been damaged/dislodged? or maybe the screw here has come loose? Spot on Mr Wabbit It was a couple of threads loose . I'm guessing that the shunt was enough to knock the yoke forward completely.I've cleaned both and threadlocked it in this time.Thanks for your help bud , much appreciated I had visions of having to fork out for a change of gearbox. Indeed thanks to all who helped , Frax etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuck Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Superb, glad it's sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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