mikec Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ok tried again today, it was almost going but was popping/backfiring instead of starting, pretty sure the coils are wired correctly, VR sensor is working, I THINK the trigger wheel is set up right. Sounds to me like ignition, any ideas? Could it be something in the setup? Or is it more likely something in the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 MS/MJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I couldn't possibly say anything ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ms. I couldn't possibly say anything ........Nige did you get my pm, think the trigger wheel was setup right in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Ms. Nige did you get my pm, think the trigger wheel was setup right in the first place. Mike you said gap was at be sensor at tdc ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Yeah I had another look as I was about to take the pulley off, and I'd seen the wrong marks in the dark. With the pulley at tdc the Gap is 5 teeth past the VR sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Why on earth I thought it was a good idea to do all this work in winter is beyond me :0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 My bet is still the trigger wheel in the wrong place. Disconnect the SAW or PIP (I forget which it is) from the EDIS and try running it again, then it should run at 10 degrees fixed timing. If you still have a problem it is VR or triggerwheel related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 If the TW is spot on then I suspect wiring chap The ONLY way to sort this is to ring me with yourself and phone and torch at the engine !! But as Mr Bowie says, TW TW TW - 1 tooth out = 10 degrees !!!! Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 If the TW is spot on then I suspect wiring chap The ONLY way to sort this is to ring me with yourself and phone and torch at the engine !! But as Mr Bowie says, TW TW TW - 1 tooth out = 10 degrees !!!! Nige Ok, what times best for you Nige? Cheers mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Alternative to disconnecting the EDIS is to set a flat ignition table, all boxes = 10deg, then you can adjust the trim angle &/or VR sensor &/or trigger wheel to get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Ok here's a rough drawing of my trigger wheel setup Obviously art isn't my strong point :0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 5 teeth or is the gap the 5th tooth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 The gap on my drawing is the space then the vr is pointing at the 5th tooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just trying it again. Swapped the coil power leads over and it does the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Pretty sure you count the 5 including the gap: http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=15317&p=349161 Popping and backfiring.... TBH, this sounds, assuming you confirm the sensor position, that your leads are wrong, take a pic and mark the coil packs up with ABCD and plug number, remembering it starts the front left plug (passenger in UK) for #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Sounds like you are floundering, ONE THING AT A TIME. Check and check your plug lead wiring, crank it over even if not starting and get a timing light on it, see where it flashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 The artwork gets better Cheers for the help much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Tried turning it over on the pulley nut with ignition on, but the timing light doesn't switch on, it does when I crank it over though, but I'm struggling to see the mark as its cranking over slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 If this helps... And... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Ok so tried the timing light on number 1, well what I thinks number 1. And it's firing something like 5 teeth or so after the vr sensor so it's even more out than that. So I'm thinking its the coils wired up wrong somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zim Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Mike, you're in manchester from memory ? Where about ? I'm back later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Ok so tried the timing light on number 1, well what I thinks number 1. Perhaps it's a good idea to decide which cylinder is really #1 before worrying about anything else? If you look at my last post it shows HT lead wiring including cylinder numbers, #1 is the cylinder nearest the distributor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just redone the ht leads, I'd bought the ht leads and coils already connected up and numbered, anyway did it as fridges diagram and it fired up. But now it just fires up, revs a fast idle then cuts out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just redone the ht leads, I'd bought the ht leads and coils already connected up and numbered, anyway did it as fridges diagram and it fired up. But now it just fires up, revs a fast idle then cuts out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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