FridgeFreezer Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 For quite some time I've put up with clonks from the front suspension, which I've now sorted with new front arms & mounts (so all new bushes & ball joints). Obviously these affect the tracking, which I'm sure is out anyway. The front tyres have worn massively on the inside of the tread, and I'm assuming this can only be tracking as I can see no reference in the RAVE manuals, or method, of adjusting caster or camber on the front suspension. However, googling around at tyre wear symptoms, it's commonly wrote that shoulder wear on tyres is symptomatic of incorrect camber, rather than toe. Of course, that's written on the internet so you can't be 100% sure of accuracy What I want to avoid is buying new tyres, getting the tracking done, and then 5k down the road finding the new tyres have gone the same way and there's something else I should have done. Is there anything else on the front suspension of a freelander that can wear out and cause this tyre wear? It's a 2001 TD4 5-door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 if you have replaced the arms/joints/bushes, then the only other thing I can think of is the strut mount, if knackered it could mean the resting position of the suspension is slightly negatively cambered. I would think it unlikely to be THAT bad, but worth a check if you find you still have clunks. I assume you have you checked the track rod ends being that close to it all recently... Checked your VCU? A good alignment place ought to be able to tell you your camber figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 TRE's were both replaced in the last year or so (with genuine) so I'm fairly happy they're not to blame. Strut mount could be a suspect, there are still noises but a lot less than there used to be! VCU was recon from Bell Autos when I got the car, so it's ~3 years / ~70k old and I'm pretty happy it's not gone tight yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally V8 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 FL1's arent prone to abnormal front tyre wear,if you have sorted the front lower arms and have good TRE's,with correct tracking you have nothing to worry about.Just keep enjoying it. FL1's are now starting to be accepted by LR independants as better value and going into old age alot better than they were previously given credit for.Unlike P38 RRS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanuki Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 TBH I'd be inclined to seek out and engage an independent tyre-place that offers a full 4-point wheel alignment. You coud have who-knows-what historic worn-out/bent steering/suspension components. £50 invented here is likely to save you a few hundred ££ of 'odd' tyre-wear issues. Equally, a vehicie whose wheels are not doing what the original designer intended will be an unsatisfactorily-handling and frustrating mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 tyre shoulder wear can be caused by tracking too, too much toe in and you loose the outside shoulder of the tread and too much toe out and you loose the inside shoulder. either that or its the other way around i can never remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggNChips Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 If there is no excessively worn suspension components, then it'll be excessive toe in. If any of the suspension components are disturbed, there will be a slight change to the wheel alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Toe out wears inside edge, tow in wears outside edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 A brief investigation in the pub car-park last night located the remaining front clonk - it's the strut upper bearing binding slightly. AllyV8 - you're right there, I'm a total FL convert, I reckon they're the best all-rounder LR's made since the original 200TDi Disco (I don't like 'em but everyone else seems to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggNChips Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Toe out wears inside edge, tow in wears outside edge. Sorry yeah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally V8 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 A brief investigation in the pub car-park last night located the remaining front clonk - it's the strut upper bearing binding slightly. AllyV8 - you're right there, I'm a total FL convert, I reckon they're the best all-rounder LR's made since the original 200TDi Disco (I don't like 'em but everyone else seems to). The trouble is they were,(Are if not rusted out...)VERY effective at their job.5 or an ocassional 7 seats that would go just about anywhere,with good fuel consumption,3.5 tonne towing capacity and simple,reliable,(If looked after) mechanics.I spent a long time ignoring them and then had 11 years of hard work from a 300TDI auto,which broke down once with a failed Bosch starter.... Look at the pikey carp they make now,even the Defender is rubbish,year on year winding build quality further down.The FL1 has its problems,but in general they are now fairly easy to diagnose and not too silly to repair.Compare a D3/RR Sport and you begin to appreciate how good they are.Cant imagine too many 15 year old D3's around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 i as under the impression that the FL1 at least wasnt rated to tow 3.5T, i could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Early Freebies were 2000Kg, later(not FL2s, facelift) were 1800Kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 ...and the last plod that stopped me told me they were 3.5t, I had to correct him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Congrats to that man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 He told me I could put the 109 (~2t) on a car trailer behind the FL, would've been quite interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally V8 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 i as under the impression that the FL1 at least wasnt rated to tow 3.5T, i could be wrong. Sorry if I didnt make it clear - I was talking about Discovery TDI's having a 3.5 tonne towing capacity,not FL's which should only have bicycle racks fitted to their towbars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Sorry if I didnt make it clear - I was talking about Discovery TDI's having a 3.5 tonne towing capacity,not FL's which should only have bicycle racks fitted to their towbars... So not, for example, a 110 with a PTO winch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie69 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Don't be silly FF, the body would surely depart company from the subframes and you would be left with front-wheel drive only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 We had to re-rig when the 110 started levitating up the bank Anyway, last night I changed the o/s top mount and now the clonks are gone and the steering is nicerer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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