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Sorry just need to vent my spleen and share with somebody the email I sent to my MP today.....

I don't belive he for one minute will respond (or even see it) but I just feel so hacked off when the idiots in government feel we have to pay more to cover for the Chinese and American utter disregard for the welfare of this planet.

WAKE UP MILIBAND........unilateral action is useless. Untill you can bring the USA and Asia into line don't expect me to pay up......what a tosser you are.......

Dear Dr. Kumar,

If you really are going to support your government in it's crusade to raise taxes on the back of the green issues (ref. todays article in the Mail on Sunday) you need to assure the people of Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland you will:-

- Sort out Arrivas's alarming disregard for it's customers in terms of them providing a reliable, punctual bus service. You have failed so far.

- Explain to me the following - myself and two members of my family had recently the need to take a trip to Weston-Super-Mare at very short notice. Cost to take a train with a change at Bristol over £450 pounds. Cost by car around £60, no changes door to door. Until you MP's understand the voters demand the same convenience as you lot experience in terms of ability to get swiftly and reliably from point A to point B you will never convince us that increasing the cost of moving about by car is justified.

As per the last time I emailed you - please do not reply to this email if all you (or somebody replying on your behalf) can muster up is New Labour rhetoric.....it just doesn't cut it anymore.

If this is all you can muster please just note the strength of feeling of those who put you where you are (for now....)

Yours sincerely,

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Strange how Tony Blair has been deaf to environmental issues, and all of sudden it's the most important thing on the governments agenda. This was covered on the news and apparently George Bush refuses to have any emission controls in the USA because it might jeapordise jobs. China is expanding so quickly that in 2-years time they will be producing an extra amount of C02 equivalent to what this whole country is producing now. If developing nations and the Americans are not prepared to cut thier emissions at all - why should we do it? At present it'll make almost no difference to global warming.

Scientists are still undecided if the change is inevitable anyway, and even part of the natural life cycle of the planet.

Les. :)

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Saw this on 'Scoobynet' - can't argue with the logic!:

What we need is more pirates, see below

pirates.jpg

As you can see, global temps have increased steadily, as pirate populations have decreased. So, do your bit!

Here are a few tips to increasing pirate populations in your area:

* Speak with/write to the government to increase the awareness of global warming (a.k.a. pirate population reduction…or PPR).

* Use fuel efficient vehicles.

* Drive smart, drive less.

* Buy energy efficient appliances.

* Replace your light bulbs with compact fluorescent bulbs.

* Choose renewable energy.

* Find gold and bury it all over the world.

* Start every sentence with "Yarr"

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind if I thought the money was going to be spent well and the policies well thought out. Helping the planet will never be a bad thing and as a specialism of my degree there are as many arguements that we *do* cause damage as we don't. If we could truely tax damaging practises and offer grants for using suitable alternatives then using the revenue to help solve problems such as China/Asia then I would probably fall off my chair with amazment... however, I think they're likley to tax the easy targets - gas guzzlers, air travel whilst ignoring the real polluters e.g. lack of recylcing facilties for business/packaging in shops.

It never fails to amaze me - in the Isle of Wight yesterday planning for a large wind farm was turned down (yes, I know the for and against arguements from an environmental point of view) - but why was it turned down? Because it didn't look nice. :(

Oh well. Dan and I spent last night talking about how we can save money, i.e. using hte grants for cavity wall insulation/loft insulation and potentially getting a 'run around' instead of using the Camel. I've already sold my Subaru and I'd be lieing if I said the potential green taxes had nothing to do with it.

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Strange how Tony Blair has been deaf to environmental issues, and all of sudden it's the most important thing on the governments agenda. This was covered on the news and apparently George Bush refuses to have any emission controls in the USA because it might jeapordise jobs. China is expanding so quickly that in 2-years time they will be producing an extra amount of C02 equivalent to what this whole country is producing now. If developing nations and the Americans are not prepared to cut thier emissions at all - why should we do it? At present it'll make almost no difference to global warming.

Scientists are still undecided if the change is inevitable anyway, and even part of the natural life cycle of the planet.

Les. :)

I think Les has hit the nail on the head there for me. i really pi55e5 me off to get taxed to death because of some vote finding mission based on unknown truthes. We know naff all about the environmental dammage caused by the UK in context with the rest of the developing world. So basically some knob in Korea can set of neuclear testing 30 years behind the rest of the world whilst here in the UK we get hammered for driving a car or heating a house. I think the UK is a great place to live, were at the top of the pile so to speak, but as far as the taxation and big brother attitude is developing I can see why so many choose to leave. If the taxation had clear benefits to ANYTHING then I guess I could bite the bullet a bit easier, but the truth is a lot of people are now starting to see the "green" issue as a massive income generation platform.

rant over.

Jas

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One of my friends suggested another possible reason for the proposed increase in taxation under a green banner.

The suggestion was that it might mitigate the reduction in tax revenue from people giving up smoking? At first it seemed unlikely - but looking at the number of people I know who have given up in the last few years, multiplied across the UK, it is likely to be big money.

Raising income tax is highly unpopular - whereas anything done for 'green' reasons is very difficult to argue against these days.

I'll see if I can find it again, but there was a comment on a blog about the Richmond parking charges from a woman slating people with gas guzzling cars who came up with the most extrodinary statement. (Paraphrased). She replaces her car every year with the most fuel efficient version to reduce greenhouse gasses - and of course the older less efficient cars can be recycled which helps the environment too.

Most of the rest of her post was telling a chap who had, had 'climate criminal' written on his Suzuki in paint stripper that he IS a criminal and deserves it!

On the plus side, any taxation will have to be based on emissions. I know this does not take in to account the full life cycle cost of cars - but it's a little better than just taxing based on the number of wheels the engine connects to.

Si

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Latest suggestions I've heard is massive increases in fuel duty (arround 20p in the next couple of years) and fuel cards meaning we'll only be allowed a limited ammount of fuel every month. I love this country but I can't stand what New Labour are doing to it!

I think its totally rediculous that we should all be taxed for the tiny contribution we make to CO2 emmission whereas the US and China get away with sticking 2 fingers up at us!

Les, you're quite right about everyone jumping on the bandwagon. I think most scientists would agree that the ammount of CO2 we're emmitting is having an effect on the enviroment but anyone who says they know how serious it'll be is lying. We simply don't know what'll happen. Did you know that right now, with both poles frozen, we should be in an ice age but we're not! The earths climate is so staggeringly complex to understand that, really, we won't know what's going to happen until it does. A couple of decades ago everyone was worried about global cooling :P

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The suggestion was that it might mitigate the reduction in tax revenue from people giving up smoking?

...comment on a blog about the Richmond parking charges from a woman slating people with gas guzzling cars who came up with the most extrodinary statement. (Paraphrased). She replaces her car every year with the most fuel efficient version to reduce greenhouse gasses - and of course the older less efficient cars can be recycled which helps the environment too.

Si

Tobacco duty - wouldn't surprise me - I gave up after coming ashore, years ago...

She DOES WHAT?? :(:angry::angry: The pollution from making a new car far outweighs the pollution it produces for it's whole life on the road!!

One reason for my 30 year old Morgan is that it's still perfectly viable transport, I can service it without a computer and its fuel consumption is no worse than a modern one! I expect two seaters will get additional road tax too - for creating congestion or something! There's only myself and the missus - I DON'T NEED 4 or 5 blinking seats (certainly don't need the 7 I've got in the Disco - anyone want the extra 2??). The other reason I haven't got a new Mog is: I can't afford one :D - but I won't have any modern motor - far too much to go wrong (which requires a dealer to fix) and too much electronics which, until recently was another 'green' issue.

I'll get off me orange crate now...

Byyyyeeee...

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Latest suggestions I've heard is massive increases in fuel duty (arround 20p in the next couple of years) and fuel cards meaning we'll only be allowed a limited ammount of fuel every month. I love this country but

I can't stand what New Labour are doing to it!

New labour, old labour, I was voting when we had bl**dy Harold Wilson, they (labour) are all tarred by the same brush and they (labour) are all bl**dy socialists. So there.

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