Chicken Drumstick

There should be loads of +2” shocks available. Have to say I’ve been quite impressed with the Britpart Cellular Dynamic shocks. If it is just general use and not off road racing, I’d have thought they should be more than good enough.

I guess what is even more impressive, is you are getting those mpg figures with 335bhp too!

I'm sure it would have far exceeded the RV8 even if it was towing a house!

Apologies for reviving a super old thread. Just wondering what happened with this project? Did it get up and running successfully? I'd love to know more about such a conversion if you are willing to share.

I do like petrols, although there is no denying a turbo fed diesel with lots of low and mid range grunt does rather suit a Range Rover. Getting more power from the RV8 certainly isn't an issue. Not particularly cheap, but could be done either with some na mods or maybe a supercharger kit. But none of these will help the running costs. Yesterday the read out was a massive 12.5mpg, despite having done some gentle road miles. Pence per mile, there is a huge difference between mid 20's mpg and sub 15. I don't know anything about this vehicle, other than it has had an M57 swap. I'm wondering if this might be a better bet. I know it isn't a V8. But I'd guess the M57 should be able to bolt up to the ZF HP24 without too many issues?

Ta, the manmaths is more about spending some money on what I have, rather than spending it on another vehicle. The fuel savings would be from a different pot of money if you know what I mean. e.g. buying another car will cost 'x' amount. But if I spend part of 'x' on the p38 instead. Could I get a better vehicle for my needs overall? L322, I have nothing against them. Although 3 mates have them with TDV8's in, so I'd not really want the same. I also think they are too far towards a car in how they do things having driven a few over the years. Great vehicles, but again, I honestly prefer the p38 on multiple levels.

TBH, I hadn't really thought of the physical size of the TDV8. Not really had anything to do with them. But that might just be the decider. I did stumble across this post, which looked like it had promise. But the story was never concluded by the looks.

Thanks and I concur. Although if being honest, for the same journey that the TDV8 got 32mpg, I think the p38 might be more like 17'ish. I know the RV8 can in some scenarios be ok on fuel, but an automatic, lifted suspension and MT tyres certainly knock it back. And running about non road trip usage it really is 15mpg or under. Don't really know what the TDV8 would do in this scenario, but I'd suspect more like 26-28mpg. And that's with the TDV8 in a vehicle that weighs quite bit more than a p38.

Bit of a back story. I’ve had a 4.6 P38a for a number of years. And while it often annoys the hell out of me when things stop working on it. I do very much like it. However I’ve been seriously contemplating replacing it with a supercharged Range Rover Sport. Although covid has created havoc with prices (also looked at TDV8’s). Step forward a bit and I used my Uncles L405 TDV8 full fat Range Rover for 550mile for a trip to Wales and back. I have discovered that as great as it was. The newer generations probably aren’t for me. Far too car like to drive with high window lines and enclosed interiors. Much to my surprise I prefer the p38. I know I don’t have as many gadgets and modern tech. And way less power. The 4.6 in mine is a Thor and runs great. Been on a dyno and making all of its rated horse power. That said a bit more poke would be welcome, it always is. But it’s the mpg or lack thereof really. I’ve been doing some off roading recently and the readout is currently 12.1mpg!!! It’ll normally return about 15mpg for my local use. And will just about creep up to a max of about 19-21mpg on a good run. The 4.4 TDV8 returned 32mpg with ease. Which makes me wonder. How feasible or easy would it be to get one of these engines running in a p38? Or would it be better to consider something like the BMW M57 6 pot? Open to suggestions/advice or if you know someone who has done something similar. The RV8 is an awesome engine. But there is no denying the real world mpg is certainly a heavy expense with current fuel prices.

Looks great Daan. Did you band them yourself?

If you want 'Land Rover' looking wheels. The Wolf replica's are pretty good value. £78 a rim, already tubeless. And a bit better offset than standard rims, as well as 6.5j, so suitable for a 235/85. If you want a wider stance still. Easiest option is to fit some wheel spacers with them. https://www.paddockspares.com/16x6-5-wolf-rim-tubeless-white.html Available in black or white. I agree, butchering your current wheels probably doesn't make sense given their value and desirability.

Not 100% convinced on the TUV stuff. Only really matters if you want to sell into certain markets. And while it is a lengthy process, it's only a steel rim. Has no moving parts. I suspect almost 'any' steel rim would be able to attain the rating if they paid the money for the process. As for other after market rims being similar money?? No way. The rims being talked about are £180 EACH!!! That's a whooping £720 for 4 rims and no tyres. I bought some perfectly acceptable new rims recently, £48 each inc VAT. Don't know how long they will last, but they look and feel perfectly fine. Which is a huge difference from £180 for a single rim. But even an OEM regular steel wheel is still way way cheaper, e.g. And if you don't mind aftermarket then they are only £72/rim I know there is more steel in a 16 x 8 vs a 16 x 5.5 but I'm unsure where the extra £108 is going apart from profit? Nice rims, my Uncle has some with some Km3's in 255/85R16 fitted. But a very expensive option when all said and done.

In the U.K. they don’t need to be TUV approved. And there is nothing to say the cheaper steel rims wouldn’t meet the standard anyway. But there is a cost of getting the approval.

Nice rims, although somewhat pricey considering essentially the same rim with less offset is about £60/rim or maybe even less for a modular/8-spoke. So, some serious greedy profiteering going on with the people that make them. Also worth noting they are 8" wide. Which is too wide for a 7.50 x 16 or even a 235/85R16 tyre. Meaning you have to run 'fat' tyres. Which may well stick out of the standard wheel arches, which is then illegal in the UK. Meaning you'd need wide flares too. A 255/85R16 will just fit as the upper rim width limit. But they will have a bit of a 'stretch' appearance about them.

Missed that you are in the USA. In that case you will have totally different tyres available. I believe the BFG KM3 is available in 7.50 x 16 (and 235/85 I think). You can also get them in 255/85R16, which is a nice size and fits a lot of narrow rims. Although you may find you want a small lift to fully clear them. Interco sell some good looking tyres if you want something off road biased in a bigger size. If you struggle to find the sizes you want, remember you can always switch to 15" rims and run something like a 31.10.50R15, which should give you very good choice. I'm currently running 33.10.50R15 General Grabber X3's on my pickup (not a military one). Nice all round tyre tbh, way better than the XZL at almost everything.

The Michelin XZL (direct replacement for the XCL) is still available and at a comparable price to many other tyres these days. They aren't too bad tbh, bit noisy on the road and not the best mud plugger, but work well on some terrains. Also very very tough, I liked them for green laning. They do look a bit small and skinny these days. The G90 is available, never run them myself. But I never hear good things about them. I probably wouldn't waste the money. Really depends on what you are wanting to do however. There are lots of good tyres out there. If you aren't really going off road, then an AT or road biased tyre would make a whole heap of sense. If you do plan to off road, then there are arguably better tyres these days than the XZL. If you aren't doing massive milages, you might just be better off buying a remould. The classic BFG MT pattern and similar is still easily available and generally cheaper than anything like the XZL. Most people wouldn't know it wasn't the right tyre. Might be worth looking at 235/85R16's as well as 7.50 x 16's.

As a different train of thought. An ATB would also likely have worked well in such a situation (maybe even if just in the front) and would require no user intervention at all for it to work.

Anyone know if you can replacement clips for the rear seats? Two of the 4 seats have them missing where the strap has frayed. Also any easy suggestions on how to replace the strap too? Thanks.

What do you plan to use it for? TBH you can run circa 33" tyres without a lift. Which is about all I'd want to run on stock axles. Not saying a lift is wrong, but rarely would one that extreme actually give any off road advantages.

After 2 years of no National due to COVID. It’s great that the annual event is back. At a new site, Bilsington Priory in Kent. https://www.alrc.co.uk/2022-national-rally/national-rally-3.html Im down for the Tyro and RTV currently.

XZL is a Bit pricey or at least was. But looks like they haven’t changed prices much and everything else has gone up. I don’t mind the XZL. Very good laning tyre and robust. Used to have some in 8.25 x 16, which was a lovely size on a Land Rover.

Not wanting to play devils advocate. But Ineos is a British company. They are making the vehicle. So it’s as British as many other items. Few products are solely made entirely in a single country. My iPhone is Apple. But it was assembled in China. But it’s still an American phone…

Personally I wouldn't even consider the Land Cruiser as an alternative. They are minging visually. Also less powerful engines and lower spec in general. Good vehicles I'm sure, but not for me. If you don't need the towing ability the 5dr Wrangler is quite a similar vehicle in every other regard. Seems prices on these have jumped by nearly £10k since last year though. So very very similar to the Grenadier.

Very true, but have you seen the crazy prices being asked for on the used market these days. It is completely mental in my opinion.