honitonhobbit

Seconded

And no electric after a very very short time unless you want to splash out for a new motor

Best value for money/effectiveness/vehicle enhancing bit of kit - SuperPro bushes Worst - home made sill bars

Bowy could you e-mail me that on the original excel spreadsheet please

Nick, Didn't you know, the faster your winch the better driver you will be - that's where I have been going wrong for so long! Tirfor Over run - only if you fall on your arse Current draw - 6 hotcross buns per pull Winch Bumper - only when it hits your shin as you take it out of the vehicle Load Speed - depends on how high the back of the vehicle is and how dodgy your back is

Thank you Angela I was going to bring my new pants up to 7S

Tim, Cough is getting better - lost vocals on Sunday after the partay - and am on the mend Shame we had to cancel last night as David Bowyer was coming down again. Is it really 6 times now? Bl**dy H*ll And I still don't know all the site! Are you coming down for a beer next week?

I know the T-box is 1.222:1 'cos I checked it when I changed it about 12K ago I thought the only difference with the VM box was the input shaft diameter. My tacho can't be more than 200rpm or so out at the worst surely...

Les, Mr Paul 'Ive got to be elsewhere' Challis is not going to be there, niether is Mr Jonathan 'first holiday I've had since the last one' Fearn, however I am hoping Mr Matt 'more parts than Brookwells, more tools than Snap On' Neale will be along. Do you mean Mr Nick 'no point in saying anything as I wll do what I damn well please as it is my vehicle' Walker by any chance

Maybe some more air in the tyres would help

The calcs add up nicely. I wonder why there is such a discrepancy... Mmmm wonder if the rev counter is out?

Found this early am so just checked tyre height by tape/calc - then checked RPM and then checked Speed with GPS/terratrip pace vehicle Am doing 67.8 at 3000rpm Tyres are 30.5inches in diameter Diffs are 3.45:1 T-box is 1.222:1 Did VM boxes have different gearing (don't think so)

Mark Calc problem? 200TdiLT77+1.222:1TBox+3.45:1diffs+30.5"tyres does not equate to 81mph at 3K rpm, about 14mph out

Tony, The study came about because of an article for another magasine and a series of questions work. BTW the EP9 runs no load at 44ft/min and 7ft at 9000/lbs, the EP12 runs 37 ft/min no load and 7ft/min at 12,000 and the EP15 runs 35ft/min no load and 7ft/min at 150000. Whoops is that okay now

http://www.j33p.org/events.cfm?ID=123 You know you want to Different concepts this year and one or two surprises

Good point and a good question But then what more would one expect? Edited to say: The 1tonne pull section - possibly the most commonly used for winching* is considerably faster again a major point *Lantra Winching figures 2003/LRE Winching figures 2002

Thanks Charles What is starting to bug me is that M8000 I sold to Mark last year for next to nothing!

Once fitted with Albright solenoides or with the new Warn solenoides, the 8274 is fast, reliable and excellent for comps

I would have said "Good, fast, reasonably reliable and ok for comps.

Nige, this should be spell checked and written on a big stone plinth for future generations. Tony - without starting an argument, if you take a genuine albright and a Warn solenoid block apart you will see the differences. This doesn't however make them any less capable, they are simply a copy of a good product which is itself a copy of a good product. Often when the Chinese copy good products they add a bit of improvement along the way. I think you will find that your basic calculations for full load line speed are a bit too simplified. I don't know the calcs but I think Newton/Meters comes into the equation and IIRC N/m is not a constant force measure but an escallating (?) force. I also think that individual improvements need to be set to one side - impressive as most are. Steve picked up on what I am writing about straight away and Nige has put the most pertinant point in. Imagine if you would a Tree Surgeon who does a bit of fencing on the side. He hauls timber, pulls stumps, lowers a fair few branches, does a bit of self recovery. He wants to use Plasma. He has a budget of 1k. What does he buy? He has a budget of 600 quid what does he buy? he has a budget of 2K what does he buy?

They are albrights the Albright copies in Warn winches are the chinese made jobbies - very slight differences with mountings as well What interests me is this loaded speed. Forget double motors and upgraded motors, lets talk real world off the bus stuff here. A mile marker H12 2speed is quicker under 8000lb load than an 8274, as is the M8000 and the XD9000. I know the T-max 110000 is slower under big load than an X9 and I know that an EP9 is quicker than XD9000 twoing a 6tonne tractor up a 20 degree gradient. The M8000 is tiny and weighs bugger all, it uses less juice than any of the others except the EP9, which is only slightly slower (IIAC) but has an external (out of drum) brake. Both can be worked hard if allowed regular breaks. So what does common sense say to buy? Forget the 'let's pretend I am a regular in the challenge scene' chaps and the 'I am a regular in the challenge scene' chaps, oh and the very clever hybrid winch chaps.

Richard/Charles Thank you, that is just what I am after. Bless you both unto the fourth generation Mmmm - M8000 a lot faster than an 8274 at max load and an XD90000 a faster with an extra 1000lbs on board Need an X9 et al details now. IIRC the new Champion C10000N two speed is 98ft/min at no load second and 9ft perminute with 4.5tonnes on board and with change out of 400quid!

Yeah yeah very funny. I was interested to see if anyone had any info. Easy to say "my 8274 reels in at 74.2feet/minutes" but what does it do with 8klbs on the end. An M8000 will do 8ft per minute with 8Klbs on the end so just how much quicker is it's big sister 'cos Warn reckon that 8ft is fast...

max load - ie 8274, 8000lbs - X9 9000lbs

How fast are the following with full load (not no load) Standard 8274-50 8274 plus Come Up 5.6 motor 8274 plus XP 6.0 motor X9 standard XD9000 MileMarker in first gear Ta in appreciation