Ben Spray Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Bit of an enquiry at this stage, Im looking to put a 200tdi into my 90 at some stage in the future, I would really prefer a defender engine to a disco one. How much do they go for - id obviously need the engine, anciliries, rad and intercooler, airbox, all the pipework etc etc - ie enough to allow me to do a straight swap with my existing 2.5nad I currently dont have the space at home to that level of work on the 90 so it would be loaded up with all the parts, driven to a mates farm and hopefully everything swapped over in a day or so - hence wanting all the parts there and worst case if a part is broken or something its an easy trip to the nearest dealer to get a replacement without having to make / modify parts. Im assuming that the tdi rad etc will drop in or do I still need to mod the mountings like when using the disco rad etc? anything else I should watch out for? Im assuming I'll still need to swap the back plates over or drill and tap etc as per the disco swap?? or not with the defender version? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 a def tdi will bolt straight to your box with no mods obviously a tdi exhaust is different to your 2.5nad one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Nice thanks, as the 200tdi will no doubt have a PAS pump fitted what would be involved in fitting PAS while Im at it - and while I have a nice big hole in the engine bay to access everything... again using standard defender parts if poss. my 90 is a 1988 ex military spec so no PAS and no power hence thinking about swapping from the NAD. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 PAS box should bolt in place of your current non-PAS steering box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 Cool nice and easy then :-) I'd better get a shopping list of parts together I think... does the PAS box have to come off a defender or are they the same as disco/RR etc? 3 or 4 bolt? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars L Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 The PAS box out of the Disco donor was absolutely OK in my '86 110, so I'd say yes. Only difference is that the steering rods are different. Can maybe be solved by switching over the steering arm, but as these can be a bugger to get off, I simply took the rod from the Disco and made a bracket for the steering damper (also from the Disco). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 fit any 4 bolt pas box, this will have metric fittings and then you can use standard defender pas pipes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 10, 2007 Author Share Posted October 10, 2007 fit any 4 bolt pas box, this will have metric fittings and then you can use standard defender pas pipes Cheers Are the drop arms the same or will the original fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 i dont know about drop arms, u'll have to wait for an adult to come along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Looking on Adwest's site the drop arms are different, although either could probably be made to fit I think I'll stick to standard Defender parts :-) Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 If you can fit the disco steering arm it will be a good idea, cos then you don't have to bugger about with the dreaded drop arm ball joint kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Guys, I really need a union for the PAS pump, the outlet/high pressure hose has a banjo type fitting on it and the back of the PAS pump has a hole, but I dont have the union or whatever to connect it up.. anyone got one? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Try these LR part numbers ---- Union delivery RTC5674 x 1 & sealing washer RTC5675 x 2, sorry no picture available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Try these LR part numbers ---- Union delivery RTC5674 x 1 & sealing washer RTC5675 x 2, sorry no picture available. Thanks so is that a hollow type bolt like the ones that you would use to connect the fuel lines up to the fuel filter head?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Thanks so is that a hollow type bolt like the ones that you would use to connect the fuel lines up to the fuel filter head?? Yes, more commonly known as a 'Banjo' bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi, You should check out the 200tdi swap 'bible' that Les Hanson did. Very informative on what is involved. Maybe not as much fabrication required but still gives you a feel for what to expect. Even with a defender version, I would have thought that it would take longer than a day to swap over! There are always the small tedious jobs that seem to take forever!! The engine swap itself could take a morning i would have thought. Ive just 'completed' a disco 200tdi swap into my 110N/A ExMod. Ref your thoughts of the powersteering. I only fitted powersteering as i couldnt be bothered with trying to remove the pump and alter the alternator etc. I didnt really have a problem with the manual box. My experience is this, make sure the box is sound. Replace the bottom seal if necessary whilst out. If you can lay your hands on the steering box, make sure they come with bolts as the manual bolts wont work. You may also need the other two bolts that hold the box on. (Again different). Look into the possibility of replacing all ball joints inc drop arm one. The new increased power will kill your old ones in no time. I actually used the old drop arm of my manual box to put on the powersteering box(4 bolt). But it is a b...h to remove! Personally if you have the time/expertise i would go for a disco install. They are going quite cheap at the moment too. With all the fabrication required, the main problem in my mind is the turbo outlet and steve parker sells some bit to help out here. He also sells a air & water hose kit although i have no experience of either. The disco engines are much much cheaper, more powerful and hopefully led an easier life. (The disco powersteering pump is different to the defender version with different outlets). With either swap, dont forget to purchase things before hand like clutch kit, clutch fork, filters, oil, water, engine mounts. (Again les lists these bits he recommends replacing). Oh is it worth a timing belt change?? One thing i forgot about is the transfer box gearing. The 110 now needs a higher ratio output to allow a low rpm cruising speed. Check Ashcrofts website regarding transfer boxes and you should be able to work out what you have fitted. Other things for a later date is to improve braking power. I am fitting grooved disc, ebc pads and braided hoses as a start. You could fit a disc braked rear axle as well. Definitely recommend the braided hoses though. Worth every penny. I loved my N/A diesel but wow, the tdi is just great. Before, acceleration? What acceleration?? Now i am conteplating overtaking!! Hope my input gives food for thought. Check out. Just remember some refer to 200tdi disco versions. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=285&hl= http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2394 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2490&hl= Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Well, went to several hydralics type places and no where had one, had to buy a new pump to get the part so that I could take pics and compare etc, just hoping I can find one so I can take teh £130 pump back and get my money back on it.. Heres the part, the dimensions are the diameter of the sections of the bolt (not the length) hopefully the link will work http://www.photobox.co.uk/album/album_phot...photo=112042442 Anyone got one or a used PAS pump that I can buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi Monster cheers for the links etc but Ive already done the conversion using a defender engine its just this one last piece that I need. Thanks Hi,You should check out the 200tdi swap 'bible' that Les Hanson did. Very informative on what is involved. Maybe not as much fabrication required but still gives you a feel for what to expect. Even with a defender version, I would have thought that it would take longer than a day to swap over! There are always the small tedious jobs that seem to take forever!! The engine swap itself could take a morning i would have thought. Ive just 'completed' a disco 200tdi swap into my 110N/A ExMod. Ref your thoughts of the powersteering. I only fitted powersteering as i couldnt be bothered with trying to remove the pump and alter the alternator etc. I didnt really have a problem with the manual box. My experience is this, make sure the box is sound. Replace the bottom seal if necessary whilst out. If you can lay your hands on the steering box, make sure they come with bolts as the manual bolts wont work. You may also need the other two bolts that hold the box on. (Again different). Look into the possibility of replacing all ball joints inc drop arm one. The new increased power will kill your old ones in no time. I actually used the old drop arm of my manual box to put on the powersteering box(4 bolt). But it is a b...h to remove! Personally if you have the time/expertise i would go for a disco install. They are going quite cheap at the moment too. With all the fabrication required, the main problem in my mind is the turbo outlet and steve parker sells some bit to help out here. He also sells a air & water hose kit although i have no experience of either. The disco engines are much much cheaper, more powerful and hopefully led an easier life. (The disco powersteering pump is different to the defender version with different outlets). With either swap, dont forget to purchase things before hand like clutch kit, clutch fork, filters, oil, water, engine mounts. (Again les lists these bits he recommends replacing). Oh is it worth a timing belt change?? One thing i forgot about is the transfer box gearing. The 110 now needs a higher ratio output to allow a low rpm cruising speed. Check Ashcrofts website regarding transfer boxes and you should be able to work out what you have fitted. Other things for a later date is to improve braking power. I am fitting grooved disc, ebc pads and braided hoses as a start. You could fit a disc braked rear axle as well. Definitely recommend the braided hoses though. Worth every penny. I loved my N/A diesel but wow, the tdi is just great. Before, acceleration? What acceleration?? Now i am conteplating overtaking!! Hope my input gives food for thought. Check out. Just remember some refer to 200tdi disco versions. http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=285&hl= http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2394 http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=2490&hl= Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danster Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 if you only want that bolt i have one (might have a pump but not sure yet) let me know if you need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 if you only want that bolt i have one (might have a pump but not sure yet) let me know if you need it Hi mate Yes please, just the bolt, how much did you want for it posted? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danster Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 how much will postage be on it? just cover that and i will post it to you pm me or send me an email with your address and i will post it to you (we swapped landys a couple of years ago my 110 v8 for your 90) cheers Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 how much will postage be on it? just cover that and i will post it to you pm me or send me an email with your address and i will post it to you (we swapped landys a couple of years ago my 110 v8 for your 90) cheers Dan Hi mate, Small world lol, is the 90 still going? I sold the 110 (kinda regret it still as it was a good truck) but I have this ex mod 90 now that Ive just done the PAS and 200tdi swap on :-) I'll send you a PM with my address, can I pay you paypal? in which case do you reckon you can get it in the post tomorrow? be cool to have it by Friday or Saturday latest so I can get the 90 finished off properly :-) Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danster Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 the 90 is a long story started stripping it to put a v8 in and a m8 rolled his 90 so sold it to him for spares! anyway send me your address and will post it off tomoz will let you know about postage just send me a cheque/paypal whatevers easyist should only be a couple of quid(never posted anything misses deals with ebay and all that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hi Mate, Just sent you a PM :-) Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Spray Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 All sorted thanks :-) bolt arrive this morning, all fitted and working fine :-) Cheers Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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