BogMonster Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Only 200 grams - you lightweight I might try rotating them, see what happens. One of them is obviously very not round when you spin it on the balancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Well put mine in today, got the ones from D4x4. They work well,still got a bit of a shake from 45-50mph. But steady as anything at 90. I never went far in it, about 6 miles, but the more miles I did the better it got. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Update - have now put 8oz of D4x4 Counteract beads in each front wheel. Contrary to what you might think looking at them, they do not fit through the valve stem (no idea why as they look as if they should do, but they don't!) - I know this having made a nice little adaptor to screw on the valve stem with a length of plastic pipe and a funnel to tip them into, only to find it didn't work First impressions were that there was little difference and there was lots of dark muttering, but after driving for a while (5-10 miles) the shake reduced quite a lot so there is now nothing worth worrying about under 50mph, but there is still a terrible shake at about 55, or rather there would be if the main road speed limit here wasn't 40mph So they are not the perfect solution but definitely worth it where there is a problem as they have made mine noticeably better. Bear in mind there is nearly 1/2 a kilo of lead on each front rim already so these tyres were WAY out of balance! I did wonder if putting the other two bags in the fronts to double the weight of beads in each wheel would make it better - can you have too many of these things in a wheel? - or do the excess ones just spread themselves evenly around the inside once the wheel is balanced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 what are the two rears like? Could try moving them to the front and see if they are better. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I might put the other 2 bags in the rear tyres next time I swap wheels over, and then put them on the front next time I use them, see what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR90 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Steve, did you just add the beads or also remove the lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Steve, did you just add the beads or also remove the lead? Just added the beads, why? I figured that the wheels were less wobbly with the lead on than without, so there would be less work for the beads to do, but now you have asked, my head is going round in circles about whether you should in fact put them in a completely unbalanced wheel for them to work properly What's the verdict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I would think it doesn't matter whether they have weights are on or not. AS long as they are all intact. What I do know is that the beads can only go so far. I have the beads in my wolf wheels with BFG 255/85 16's and all are unbalanced. Wolf's seem to have a reputation as hard to balance, and I found that when I first fitted them with the Counteract beads I still had some shake. I moved the front tyres to the rear and rears to the front and the shake is a lot less now and acceptable. So if the wheel is really out of balance the beads can not cure it. In my opinion, if you want a well balanced wheel, don't buy the beads. If like me you have local places that either refuse to balance 'large' mud terrains or if they do, the weights start flying off after less than a mile of driving, then the beads provide an acceptable solution. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I would have thought you'd really want to remove the lead..... Lead weights get added to the rims (inside or outside), not the centreline of the tyre where most mass is (roughly). The beads must work on or near the CL due to centrfugal forces so is it possible that they have more to deal with in that they counteract some of the lead and the assembly imbalance you need to get rid of. By definition, the wheels with lead are not balanced or you wouldn't be adding the beads - So... some of the beads are having to counter offset (wrong) lead rather than offset wheel/tyre. I'm actually quite tempted to lob some in the P38 front wheels to see if they help with my steering as it is still a bit "sensitive" (Although I think I may be encountering the same phenomonen as SteveG as the tyres are part worn, I just can't afford to junk tyres when they get to 5mm tread!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticbadger Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I've fitted my 37" Super Swampers on home made beadlocks with 250g per tyre of BBs. I bought them from a game fair for £10 for 2kg. The results are: Noticable wheel wobble at 40mph + before balancing has been removed completely. I can now cruise at 70mph with no wobble. The effect of the weight being at a longer lever (further from the centre of the wheel) is that it has more effect on balancing, so when the wheels are full of mud, which is a major problem with the beadlocks, the BBs move in the tyre to compensate. I can now drive home from events with the wheels full of mud at 50+ mph without problems of wobble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top90 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Strangely, in my 33" BFG muds they were terrible and the vibrations over 50mph made it undrivable. Now back to regular weights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Strangely, in my 33" BFG muds they were terrible and the vibrations over 50mph made it undrivable.Now back to regular weights. Richard Where did you buy yours? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 So seems to be just the counteract ones from D4X4 or the dynabeads from Scorpion? You think there would be more people out there that do them, I really need some asap as above 45-50mph its horrendous to drive, the only thing is I would prefer the dynabeads as they are easier to fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Humphreys Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 Replied on Mud Club. But easy to fit as long as you have a hi-lift/Jackall and a compressor. I did all mine in about an hour on the drive on my own. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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