mike4444244 Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Hi have been pondering getting an axle difflock, my question is this, if you just fit one locker does it matter if it's fitted front or back? Most seem to fit it to the back? My issue is that I have a 110 with a Salisbury rear axle therefore getting one installed is going to be expensive, obviously I can get a recon rover diff with an arb fitted in and fit it myself no worries. There is also the fact that the Salisbury is stronger and I would only fit one locker. I don't do rufty tufty extreme to the max off roading but mainly p&p and hopefully some overland in the future depending on work. So should I just fit an arb to the front or bite the bullet and get one installed in the rear? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 reason for fitting to the rear diff, is so full steering control is kept, when the front diff is locked the steering cannot do it's job as well & can be very grabby, try driving a Series 2 or 3 on hard ground in 4wd low, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow100 Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 If you get stuck, mostly it will be because some of your wheels have to rise and there is not enough grip for that. Going down is obviously much easier. But if you're going up most off the weight off your car is going to the rear. So that is where you need the locker. In my challenge truck I need the rear locker very frequently. The front only now and then. If I found out the front locker was broken it would be a pitty, if the rear was broken I would try everything I could to repair it before the start... Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 Ralph that makes sense, how undriveable does it make it? I would prefer rear but theres a huge price/faff difference front and rear! I would probably only be using it when stuck on my own without a tow around... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Why not fit a non salisbury rear axle complete with arb then....... and stronger shafts, that way its simpler, and possibly as strong as the salisbury......?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Ralph that makes sense, how undriveable does it make it? I would prefer rear but theres a huge price/faff difference front and rear! I would probably only be using it when stuck on my own without a tow around... Mike wouldn't be undriveable in normal road use & off road [hard roads] the wheels could slid on slippery surfaces, wouldn't recommend fitting a Rover [90 or Disco] rear axle to a 110, but the later Td5 rear non salisbury would be ok, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Just out of interest, how is the late TD5 axle different to earlier axles..??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Up to that point 110 Defenders had used the Salisbury rear axle, which has a larger diff that is very strong, albeit more work to remove/replace. The 'new' axle came from the Range Rover I believe, and was a sort of strengthened standard axle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid_From_Hell Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 110s up to around 2004/5 had salisbury, after that have the P38 short nose diff unit Both are strong, converting to P38 type axle is nuts and bolts and you need the P38 type prop too Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 As i understand it, but i could be wrong, the later axles are still 24 spline..... this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2006-LAND-ROVER-DEFENDER-90-TD5-ABS-REAR-AXLE-complete-/370388445846?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item563cdf2a96 appears to me to look identical to the axle in the back of my 300 defender..... or are there internal differences that i don;t know about..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retroanaconda Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 If your Defender is a 90 then it will be identical, as far as I am aware 90 rear axles are still the same as they always have been in terms of type If yours is a 110 then it should have a Salisbury unless a later P38 type axle has been retrofitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Thats because the link is to a 90 axle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Ah, so when it was stated it'd be ok to fit a late td5 axle, it should have perhaps said late td5 '110' axle...???? Again, whats the difference..??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 yes, should have said late Td5 110 axle. the Late Td5 110 axles look like a normal Rover one, but they are stronger than a normal rover type as found on the back of RRC, Disco1 and 90's. They have a stronger diff too . Salisbury VS Late Td5 110. the salisbury diff comes out of the rear of the case and needs the backlash set up when the diff comes out. The late Td5 110 one, the diff comes out of the front of the case the same as a 'normal' rover axle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco-Ron Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 I see.............. 4 pin diff perhaps..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landroversforever Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Yeh, I believe they are 4 pin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 Swapping the Salisbury for a p38 axle would give me a cheaper locker in the back but still a chocolate front diff? Upgrading the front (obviously all of it shafts etc) would give me a stronger front axle and I'd still have a nice strong diff in the back no? Just trying to align the cost/faffing/usage/pointlesness balance! Mike PS a 110 and no Salisbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robhybrid Posted June 1, 2010 Share Posted June 1, 2010 Just to be totally different I compete in winch challenge events and would much rather go without a locking rear diff than go without a locking front diff. If I am in a situation where I need lockers I am almost always in a position where I need the winch too. If I am using the front winch then I am also using the front locker. having the front locker in whilst winching means that both front wheels are trying to climb out or climb over the obstacle I have encountered. When the locker is not engaged you tend to get one wheel spinning and one wheel bulldozing against an obstacle. I have gone slightly against convention and tried to make my vehicle front heavy, the front locker becomes even more useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike4444244 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 I am starting to think front is the way to go, fitting a rear to a salisbury seems to be getting on for the price of fittng portals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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