oldsscool Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Hello all ! - im new on here so hello all - just picked up a td5 es facelift 2002 and it appears to have a bit of a leak which looks like ps fluid from front of car - it drips off sloped down to left bar which resembles a antiroll bar a bit - im hoping its not engine trouble and guessin it to be steering box or pump - is this likely ? Also both electric sunroofs not working or heated seats so will go through fusebox but am aware sunroofs on discos have leak problems so cant see two separate fuses blowing for no reason . Anyway plan to keep it a couple of years at least so hi to all and wish me luck - off to get a haynes manual now Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 PAS fluid is red, so easy to distinguish from engine oil/coolant. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggie27_3 Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 that would be the low pressure pas pipe from resivoir to pump leaking. mine is doing the same, just not got round to sorting it out yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 hmm thanks for replies - only had it a day but fluid seems to be a bit red and not black like engine oil - oggie would that drip off the front bar which is angled down towards the left as you look under the car from the front ? i take it i should keep an eye on all the levels and see which one is dropping ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 If it's a short stubby arm that connects to a rod that goes to the passenger side wheel, then it's likely to be the steering box output shaft seal. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ches Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 PAS fluid is unlikeley to be red on a td5, is it an auto? if so have a look here http://www.discovery2.co.uk/Oil_cooler_pipes.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 it is an auto - doesnt seem to be dripping now - its an es and have three chimes audible warning occasionally on startup but no warning lights coming on - although they all seem to work on the initial start up check - not sure if its red or brown tbh but it doesnt look murky like the engine oil - happened while stationary with the steering on full lock so im guessing power steering but will be investgating tomorrow on a ramp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Henson Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 PAS fluid is Dextron II, which is red. Transmission fluid is Dextron IID/III, which is also red. I'd be interested to know how transmission fluid would get to the front of the vehicle, and then drip off the steering gear. Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 me too les but i was on a hill facing down at the time - however as i had just done a 200 mile run with no smoke or smells im guessing pas fluid too - no sign of leaks anywhere else so im thinkin pas for sure or it would be all over the underside of the disco - what are the three chimes saying ? only seems to chime outside my house when parked on my parking bay which is on a hill ie not a level surface - doesnt chime when starting up on a flat surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumps Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Hi, Keep an eye on the PAS fluid level as I've just gone through this. Turned out my PAS pipes had turned into Weetabix and were leaking all over the front crossmember. Lovely job to do as they reside below the radiator/intercooler. Ended up being an all day job to replace them. Regards Scrumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ches Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 PAS fluid should be Texaco cold climate power assisted steering fluid 14315 or genuine LR (both expensive). the autobox oil cooler is at the front of the vehicle and as the link shows the hoses are suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 hmm im gettin it checked tomorrow as i can check the pas fluid level but the autobox i dont want to be checking as dont know how - thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBolton Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 If it turns oiut to be a leak with your power steering, get a bottle of Lucas stop leak stuff from ebay for power steering...works a treat if its the seals that are weeping.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 well i took it to my local garage i use for oddjobs and it went up on the ramps and there was no sign of anything leaking - however it does drip other times ?? i bought a manual and it seems to be dripping off the "panhandle" if thats the right name to describe the bar i am looking at - all levels seem ok apart from brake fluid which is near minimum and i am monitoring all for change. slightly worried it could be from transfer box or some area not so easy to see if it runs out of fluid so might call in a specialist to check it all over to avoid a disaster maybe from running out of one fluid or another . On a brighter note it showered today and the headlining dripped nicely so i guess i have to work out how to seal 2 x non working sunroofs before winter really sets in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piper109 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 well i took it to my local garage i use for oddjobs and it went up on the ramps and there was no sign of anything leaking - however it does drip other times ?? i bought a manual and it seems to be dripping off the "panhandle" if thats the right name to describe the bar i am looking at - all levels seem ok apart from brake fluid which is near minimum and i am monitoring all for change. slightly worried it could be from transfer box or some area not so easy to see if it runs out of fluid so might call in a specialist to check it all over to avoid a disaster maybe from running out of one fluid or another . On a brighter note it showered today and the headlining dripped nicely so i guess i have to work out how to seal 2 x non working sunroofs before winter really sets in I think the "panhandle" might be the "panhard rod", named for a French car manufacturer who designed the suspension attribute. The pas lines are a notorious leakage problem. The hoses are crimped and with age the rubberized material shrinks a bit and fluid leaks out. Clean them off well and see if they become wet again. You can buy new ones but a diy fix is to cut off the outer crimp sleeve carefully with a Dremel then clamp the hose with a small jubilee clip. They are very low pressure except from the pump to the rack so there is nothing to fear. It seems the one from the reservoir to the pump is the main culprit. If the steering box is leaking then the Lucas power steering additive as already mentioned will usually stop it. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSheds Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Mine is leaking from the seal where the shaft from the steering wheel goes in, but it seems to blow around a bit so was difficult to spot the exact source for a while. If you have to replace any pipes I would advise a trip to your local hydraulic pipe makers - take the pipe with you and they will manufacture a replacement in braided PTFE for around half the price of the replacement part! Never heard of the stop-leak for PS - I'll give that a go I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 thanks guys - yup meant panhard rod - excuse my noobiness - seems very intermittant though and i guess i will have to strip off the plastic covers from above to get a real idea of the exact source of leak - will updats when i know more - in the meantime im lovin the es as i came from a lexus which was ok but too small and no 4x4 for the snow which cuts us off when bad in winter- the es is so nice to drive though and about the same on fuel as a petrol 2.0 lexus auto so well pleased on that score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovernut Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Hello all ! - im new on here so hello all - just picked up a td5 es facelift 2002 and it appears to have a bit of a leak which looks like ps fluid from front of car - it drips off sloped down to left bar which resembles a antiroll bar a bit - im hoping its not engine trouble and guessin it to be steering box or pump - is this likely ? Also both electric sunroofs not working or heated seats so will go through fusebox but am aware sunroofs on discos have leak problems so cant see two separate fuses blowing for no reason . Anyway plan to keep it a couple of years at least so hi to all and wish me luck - off to get a haynes manual now Nick Have a look at the return pipe (low pressure) to the PS reservoir. Where it changes from metal to rubber pipe, it chaffes through on the side of the sump, runs down the pipe and drips off onto the steering cross bar, then onto the ground. It is usually a pin prick hole and therefore loses very little fluid. You can get away with Dexron 11 but the proper fluid is specified in the handbook and is normally a geenish brown colour. Thats assuming the previous owner has not been topping the system with Dexron. I just put a rubber sleave round mine with a hose clip and stopped the leak, this also stops it chaffing any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 Cheers rovernut - problem still there but cant see where from the top - havent been brave enuf to take all the covers off and investigate yet - drip does seem to be more brown than red but levels all within tolerances as far as i can tell - gotta look at it this week or at least get it looked at as i dont want to run anything dry and create more expense - i did see a post on here to the effect that a landy doesnt leak it merely marks its territory so from that do i take it they all leak to a certain extent ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuba1 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 If it stops leaking completely, check the levels as something needs a top up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 WOW ! just got back from main dealer quoted £760 for full service or £320 to change engine oil and one filter and general check over - i see dirty hands in my very near future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuba1 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 That is expensive considering that spares and consumables for Land rover are pretty cheap. You can get a set of filters ( Air, Fuel and oil ) for under 20 quid. So charging over 300 is a bit steep I think for the work involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 maybe some success here - myself and a mate who has had a few td5s took the covers off the engine and had a poke about - it would appear to be a rocker cover leak from the second cover down if that makes sense at the front of the block and from the round black circle type blanking plate bit on the rocker cover - just been told by a mechanic who will be doing a service on it this area is called the cam-bed and could just need torqueing and hylomarring down or could signify more extensive problems - i know mine still has original egr valve fitted and doesnt look like the oil filter has been changed for a good few years so im wonderin if crankcase breathers etc might be blocked - does anyone have any thoughtws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ches Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 have a look here. http://www.discovery2.co.uk/camshaft_seal.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsscool Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 oooh oooh !!! thanks ches - could it be that simple - excellent link i will be buying one of those tomorrow - mine is definately tired as it was kinda loose and not a snug fit at all as i was able to push it back in place with a light finger - thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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