daz200dti Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 HI ALL I HAVE A 1993 DISCO 200TDI WHEN I DRIVE IT AT 50-60 THE STEERING SHAKES AND THEN THE WHOLE MOTOR SHAKES AS IF THE TRACKING OR WHEEL BALANCE BUT HAD ALL THIS DONE AND NEW STEERING DAMPER REMOVE THE PROPSHAFT STRIP AXLE ENDS RESET BEARINGS NEW SHOCK ABSORBERS CHECK ALL BUSHES OVER £800 OF WORK AND EVEN A NEW MOT TO SEE IF THEY COULD PICK OWT UP THAT COULD BE MAKING IT DO THIS AND IT PAST WITH JUST 1 ADVISORY OFFSIDE WHEEL BEARING SLIGHT PLAY BUT STILL SHAKES THE MOT GUY SAID THAT THE BUSHES ON THE REAR OFFSIDE SHOCKABSORBER HAVE GONE CAN SOME 1 HELP WITH THIS AS IM JUST PAYING OUT AND GETTING NO WHERE IM IN LEICESTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BogMonster Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Tyre out of shape perhaps? Or a bent wheel rim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 have you checked both propshafts? not only the UJ's but the splined sliding joint too for play. also check what your tyres are like for roundness as BM says. can you feel it through the steering wheel too, as it could narrow it down to the front (or not the front) also can you feel it through the brake pedal, does the pedal travel more than it used to before properly biting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Welcome to the forum, you look like a CAPITAL fella... Have you had your wheels re-balanced recently? - It takes a bit to knock the tracking on these vehicle, how do your ssteering arm, tracke rod end ball joints look like any play? Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I didn't know we had any Nigerians on this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Have you also looked at the swivel pre-load? This wouldn't be picked up in any of the above or by the MOT but could be a cause. Does it become unsettled when you hit a pot hole? Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahon257 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Have you also looked at the swivel pre-load? This wouldn't be picked up in any of the above or by the MOT but could be a cause. Does it become unsettled when you hit a pot hole? Ta I have same issue (at 65mph). Just done 1 of my swivel balls... set pre load to 1.3kgs (within spec). Think I'll be removing some shims! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 it would be picked up by the MOT, as when they do the wheelbearing check they would feel it. and put it down probably as an advisory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 it would be picked up by the MOT, as when they do the wheelbearing check they would feel it. and put it down probably as an advisory But would you not be fighting against the steering damper and box at this point in which case there would be resistence their anyway so as to not reveal if the pre-load was insufficent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 hi all thanks for the replys when i drive if i hit a bump in the road i can feel the steering wheel start to go but as soon as i hit 50-60 mph and hit a bump thats when the steering gose then the hole car shakes like mad i have to slow right down to 20mph then it stops iv had the balancing done and thats fine and 2 new tyres and had the alloys cheked if i drive it on a nice smooth road then it dosnt do it. i have now fount a land rover/range rover specialist swinfield - cooper ltd garage in leicester and they have said to ajust the frount wheel bearings and fit new rear shocks (£17.50each + vat) and to see why it has this stupid problem they will need it in for 5 hours i think they said at £49 per our. and now its got to the point that im just fed up with spending on it and its still no better. even the misses is saying scrap it i just tell her to take her tablets for her wobbly gob cindrome lol what do i do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 AXLECHORUS did it solve your problem thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 But would you not be fighting against the steering damper and box at this point in which case there would be resistence their anyway so as to not reveal if the pre-load was insufficent. if you jack it up, put it on a stand, and grab the tyre 12 oclock and 6 oclock and wobble it, if the swivel is loose you will feel it. the way to tell it apart from a wheelbearing (which will also show play like that) is that a loose wheelbearing will wobble if you grab the tyre at 3 and 6 oclock too. whereas a swivel wont. the joints and damper wont affect that test. but youre thinking about when you take the linkages off, and use a newton meter to measure the resistance. if that makes sense to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlechorus Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 if you jack it up, put it on a stand, and grab the tyre 12 oclock and 6 oclock and wobble it, if the swivel is loose you will feel it. the way to tell it apart from a wheelbearing (which will also show play like that) is that a loose wheelbearing will wobble if you grab the tyre at 3 and 6 oclock too. whereas a swivel wont. the joints and damper wont affect that test. but youre thinking about when you take the linkages off, and use a newton meter to measure the resistance. if that makes sense to you. Right I get you, learn a new trick everyday there AXLECHORUS did it solve your problem thanks No, I found that changing to BFG MTs seemed to solve things. I still get a wobble on large pot holes but nothing that I am too concerned about to go delving in there before I need to renew the swivels anyway which is fairly soon. You wobble you describe sounds more like a slightly loose panhard rod in that you need to slow down. Unfortunately there is a lot of links in discoveries that could all cause problems. Is there perhaps a club member of some club near you who could offer an hour of poking around to try and track down a likely culprit? Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 hi all if it was a little shake i could put up with it but its quite scarey for how bad this is when it starts it just takes over the motor. when your in a car and the tracking is out the steering wheel shakes times that by 15 thats how bad the steering wheel gets and the body just shakes so bad im amazed the body has'nt fell off its that bad. and now just to top things off the clutch slave cilinder has packed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNissanPrairie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 do this; "if you jack it up, put it on a stand, and grab the tyre 12 oclock and 6 oclock and wobble it, if the swivel is loose you will feel it. the way to tell it apart from a wheelbearing (which will also show play like that) is that a loose wheelbearing will wobble if you grab the tyre at 3 and 6 oclock too. whereas a swivel wont. the joints and damper wont affect that test. but youre thinking about when you take the linkages off, and use a newton meter to measure the resistance. if that makes sense to you. " come back when you have. it'll most likely be your swivel preloads. Buy a fishing spring balance and Haynes manual and go get oily. Dont spend anymore money on it, you'll either be welding it or scrapping it by the next MOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 hi ok i will if it stops raining lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 hi this has already been done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz200dti Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 hi all right here we go iv jacked it up and at 9 oclock and 3 oclock there is no play but at 12 oclock and 6 oclock there is play on both front wheels is this the wheel bearing and if so how do i tighten them up thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbekko Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 That's most likely the swivel bearing then. There's probably a thread in the tech archive about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimAttrill Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 The nice thing about adjusting swivel preloads is that it involves taking things out (shims) rather than having to buy things and put them in. The only cost to you if you have a half-decent took kit is your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverik Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I can;t see anything in the tech archive, but a quick google search brough this up which pretty much tells you everything you need to know... http://www.repairmylandrover.co.uk/defender-repairguides/guide-to-defender-swivel-ball-replacement Mav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discomikey Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 yes thats the swivels, there are 2 ways to do it. proffesionally or by guess. for an accurate reading you need to take the wheel off, then disconnect all steering links from the hubs, then feel the resistiance. i was once told that it the resistance should feel similar to the weight of a 2lb bag of sugar. or you could use the correct settings from the haynes manual, and a newton meter. (the ideal setting for this is minus resistance seal, ((but thats brand new seal when youre setting up a new hub settings))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyNissanPrairie Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Buy a fishing /spring balance and a Haynes manual. Read manual carfeully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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