Nigelw Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Thought I might invite others to comment on this subject too. About 4months ago local friends brought a 2002 L322 Range Rover, good spec very clean and bright example but extremely cheap, it was €8000 and looking on the net at the time there were a few vehicles of similar spec but with asking prices of around €13,500 and up for them ones, I kind of smelled a rat(from personal experience if it is cheap, it's cheap for a reason!!!). So in the last 4 mnths they have had problems with the air suspension, with the wheel bearings, front diff and prop shaft, and now they are bleating on about having to replace the brake discs and pads. The air suspension I will add does seem to be an ongoing issue, and mostly because they are using a cheap mechanic who knows nothing about it and anyone who has ever heard horror stories about air suspension on P38s will know what this leads to, yep €????? and thousands in mostly unnecessary parts. But I find myself continually defending the L322, yes it is a green oval so I kind of have a loyalty to it but more so because it has more than 250,000Kms and is over 10yrs old, and with a vehicle of such complexity with electronics after 10yrs they get expensive to maintain, and on top of that for me 150,000Kms I will be expecting drive train wear and tear so for me it is not an issue. These guys do nothing but bash and moan about the car and for me I find it ridiculous that they do so bearing in mind they paid 1/10th the cost of it new and that it is more than 10yrs old and has 250,000Kms on the clock. Am I flogging a dead horse or does anyone else see my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big.Mike Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I see your point, lots of cars don't make 10 years and 250,000Kms. Trouble is, they bought a pup and there is no way to convince someone otherwise. Keep up the good fight, and smile when they sell it to you for €4000 and you fix it yourself! Cheers, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeFreezer Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Not helped by people who don't understand the complexity of the thing, and take it to a mechanic who doesn't either. You do have to remember when it was new it was a very expensive, luxury, cutting-edge vehicle (sort of) so can't really be compared to keeping a Ford Mondeo running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 In 2002 it was €80,000 to buy it new in Belgium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CwazyWabbit Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Like you say they are expecting to have 10 year old high mileage car drive and function like a brand new car without having to pay for any repairs. Tell them to go out and buy a 10 year old washing machine that has been used by a family all it's life and expect that to work like new ...... heck even a luxury high end washing machine used by the maid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 250,000 km is barely run in for many Jap 4wd's over here ! They regularly clock up mileages, (kilometerages just doesn't sound right) that LandRover/RangeRover enthusiasts can only dream about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh NZ Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 ^^seconded! To see a Hilux or Landcruiser with 400-500,000km onwards is pretty common in my town! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De Ranged Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 LOL there are some models and in some cases yrs that are just lemons, and this apply to all manufactures, most of the popular faults have after market fix's quite often for cheaper than servicing an ongoing problem, I'm not that familiar with the late model Rover stuff but from talk when I did full in work for an audi dealer there is a coil spring kit for that model rangie that removes the problem? Oh and just to prove that even the above examples have issues, the hilux 2lt motor has a hot spot in the head between 3 and 4 the fix is a bigger exhust and/or an alloy rad then they go forever if you don't from 250k on your lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big.Mike Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Toyotas are a little more 'agricultural' than the Range Rover... that said environment has a massive part to play, I suspect because we apply millions of tonnes of salt to roads in the winter our cars just rot. I don't mean just body work, all the components too... I suspect it's a conspiracy between the government and the car manufacturers so we have to buy more new cars... :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdderlyOffroad Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 DieselDog, I suspect you *are* flogging a dead horse, if they refuse to take it to a mechanic who knows about the intricacies of the green oval. Any 10year-old high-end motor needs specialist attention, not just LR. Otherwise you're just paying labour for the garage to learn about the car! Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 From experience a lot of "mechanics" in Australia are a bit limited when it comes to foreign vehicles especially when it comes to Land rover . The experience is from the perspective as an employer , much the same as here in UK there are also a lot of jap 4x4 that need a lot of help getting to 250,000km + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill van snorkle Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 From experience a lot of "mechanics" in Australia are a bit limited when it comes to foreign vehicles especially when it comes to Land rover . The experience is from the perspective as an employer , much the same as here in UK there are also a lot of jap 4x4 that need a lot of help getting to 250,000km + Agree that given the chance, a lot of OZ mechanics would run and hide when a LandRover product pulls into the workshop. Most these days complete their apprenticeships without ever having stripped down and rebuilt an engine,transmission or differential. It's all ,remove faulty component, and replace with new or rebuilt component, sourced from specialist reconditioners these days. Even my humble auto trans, EFI 1989 Holden Jackaroo (Isuzu Trooper) had no difficulty completing 360,000km without much help from me or anyone else. And longevity wise, they were not in the same league as the LandCruiser and Patrol models that LandRover regard as main competitors over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelw Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 I had an Isuzu Trooper a few years ago, it was a "Duty" spec truck so it had a factory limited slip diff in the back, all I will say about that motor is that Land Rover should have hired the guys who designed and built them to come up with the new generation. I have nothing but praise for them, and when I sold on my old one it had covered more than 320,000 miles which is 576,000Kms and I believe she is still running around the streets of the Czech Republic as I write this, do miss that one I am not doubting a lot of what is said for Toyotas and Mitsi's etc, but when it comes to high tech top end the RR is the king and to send it to a cheap mechanic to solve an issue which requires specialist knowledge seems stupid, I put them in touch with a good main dealer who I personally have used and found very good and reasonable when it comes to discounts and a bit of cash, and yes I told of a coil sprung replacement suspension set up for them but never seen it myself so not in a mind to recommend something I know nothing about. Think I might put together €4000 and wave it under their noses see if I get a bite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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